11:39 p.m.
When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same
site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
pointing hand and an hour glass.
http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-achiev...
This only happens when the top part of the page is displayed. If you
scroll down it stops; if you scroll back up so that most of the image
is shown it starts again. If you're working in another window over the
top it stops. If you bring NetSurf to the top it resumes. What's going
on?
Currently using r13534.
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12:05 a.m.
On 26 Apr 2012, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same
site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
pointing hand and an hour glass.
http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-achiev...
[snip]
Currently using r13534.
No problem here with r13571
Tony
1:33 a.m.
On 26 Apr 2012 Tony Moore wrote:
On 26 Apr 2012, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the
same
> site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
> pointing hand and an hour glass.
>
> http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-ach
> ieving-more/
[snip]
> Currently using r13534.
No problem here with r13571
Still doing it for me now with r13571
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3:42 a.m.
In message <86a88c8652.ricp(a)user.minijem.plus.com>
Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2012 Tony Moore wrote:
> On 26 Apr 2012, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same
>> site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
>> pointing hand and an hour glass.
>>
>> http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-ach
>> ieving-more/
> [snip]
>> Currently using r13534.
> No problem here with r13571
Still doing it for me now with r13571
No such problem for me with r13571.
Dave
3:55 a.m.
On 26 Apr, Dave Higton wrote:
No such problem for me with r13571.
Ditto here, same version. I wonder if it's a graphics thing - Dave and
me are using RO5.18, the two reporting flicker are using RO6.nn.
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3:58 a.m.
On 26 Apr 2012 Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
In message <86a88c8652.ricp(a)user.minijem.plus.com>
Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 26 Apr 2012 Tony Moore wrote:
>
>> On 26 Apr 2012, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>
>>> When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same
>>> site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
>>> pointing hand and an hour glass.
>>>
>>> http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-ach
>>> ieving-more/
>
>> [snip]
>
>>> Currently using r13534.
>
>> No problem here with r13571
>
> Still doing it for me now with r13571
No such problem for me with r13571.
If you look at at that page in Windows Firefox the top bit looks a bit
different. I have neither the expertise, nor at the moment the time,
to explore that any further, but perhaps an expert among you might
find a clue that way?
With best wishes,
Peter.
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4:08 a.m.
In article <df6b988652.davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com>,
Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> >> When Netsurf is displaying the following page and
others on the same
> >> site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
> >> pointing hand and an hour glass.
> >>
> >> http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-ach
> >> ieving-more/
>
> > [snip]
>
> >> Currently using r13534.
>
> > No problem here with r13571
>
> Still doing it for me now with r13571
No such problem for me with r13571.
It does it here on my RPC 6.20 with r13571 as long as the picture is on the
screen. Moving the page so that the picture is off the display stops the
flicker but moving it back restarts the flickering.
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4:50 a.m.
In article <52869aceb1dhwild(a)talktalk.net>, David H Wild
<dhwild(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
[Snip]
It does it here on my RPC 6.20 with r13571 as long as the picture is
on
the screen. Moving the page so that the picture is off the display
stops the flicker but moving it back restarts the flickering.
Cat-> pigeons
On my emulated machine (details in sig) and NetSurf r13571 I see no
evidence of this flickering, just the pointing hand. The problem seems to
be that the picture is part of a link (on PC Firefox clicking on it
causes an enlarged version of the picture to cover the underlying page)
but there is a missing </span> in the html. After doing a "Full save" on
the page and inserting the </span> appropriately the effect is quite
different; when the image is selected the picture appears in NetSurf, not
on the same page as in Firefox but in a new page. As I didn't see the tic
in the first place I can't confirm whether this has made it go away.
The corrected full save is in
www.btinternet.com/~brian.jordan9/netsurf/page.zip if you want to give it
a try.
Brian
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10:36 p.m.
The following bytes were arranged on 26 Apr 2012 by Brian Jordan :
In article <52869aceb1dhwild(a)talktalk.net>, David H Wild
<dhwild(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>
[Snip]
> It does it here on my RPC 6.20 with r13571 as long as the picture is on
> the screen. Moving the page so that the picture is off the display
> stops the flicker but moving it back restarts the flickering.
Cat-> pigeons
On my emulated machine (details in sig) and NetSurf r13571 I see no
evidence of this flickering, just the pointing hand.
Can I just voice what seems to me to be the most screamingly obvious
theory?
Everyone seeing the flickering is using a real StrongARM RiscPC or
similar. Everyone not seeing the flickering is using an Iyonix or
better, or StrongARM VRPC (which has an option to go much faster than a
real StrongARM).
Therefore, the hourglass problem is caused by your processor not being
fast enough to process whatever it is that page is doing.
(PS: I don't see it on this Iyonix either.)
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11:20 p.m.
In article <a647008752.martin(a)blueyonder.co.uk>,
Martin Bazley <martin.bazley(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Therefore, the hourglass problem is caused by your processor not
being
fast enough to process whatever it is that page is doing.
Well, yes, but we aim to support really slow systems.
You can reproduce it on an Iyonix. If you go to 256 colours with error
diffused bitmaps, scale the page to 300% or so and fill a 1680x1050 screen
with a NetSurf window showing just that image, then you get the pointer
flicker as reported. (Assuming animations are enabled.)
The issue isn't processor speed but a NetSurf bug. We shouldn't be
redrawing the JPEG over and over but we are because behind it is an
animated throbber GIF, meant to show the image is loading before it loads.
The animation is still there when the page is fully loaded, and it still
requests that area to be redrawn.
We need to avoid redraw requests from obscured content.
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3:21 a.m.
In article <a647008752.martin(a)blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin
Bazley <martin.bazley(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Everyone seeing the flickering is using a real StrongARM
RiscPC or similar. Everyone not seeing the flickering is
using an Iyonix or better, or StrongARM VRPC (which has
an option to go much faster than a real StrongARM).
Well, I tried the link and noticed no flicker, but I use a
release version, 2.8.
*Real* RPC, RO 4.02, 64M RAM
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4:56 a.m.
In article <52869aceb1dhwild(a)talktalk.net>,
David H Wild <dhwild(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
It does it here on my RPC 6.20 with r13571 as long as the picture is
on
the screen. Moving the page so that the picture is off the display stops
the flicker but moving it back restarts the flickering.
I don't get this problem here (RO5). Richard, are you on RO6 too?
David/Richard, what's your memory cache size set to?
(NetSurf iconbar menu, Choices.... Cache, Size)
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5:32 a.m.
In article <52869f2d30tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake
<tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> It does it here on my RPC 6.20 with r13571 as long as the
picture is
> on the screen. Moving the page so that the picture is off the display
> stops the flicker but moving it back restarts the flickering.
I don't get this problem here (RO5). Richard, are you on RO6
too?
David/Richard, what's your memory cache size set to?
6.4 meg.
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5:51 a.m.
In article <5286a279dbdhwild(a)talktalk.net>,
David H Wild <dhwild(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
> David/Richard, what's your memory cache size set to?
6.4 meg.
Could you retry after increasing it to 20 MB or so?
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7:11 a.m.
On 26 Apr 2012 Michael Drake wrote:
In article <5286a279dbdhwild(a)talktalk.net>,
David H Wild <dhwild(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
>> David/Richard, what's your memory cache size set to?
> 6.4 meg.
Could you retry after increasing it to 20 MB or so?
No difference. Brian's fixed page is OK though.
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7:07 a.m.
On 26 Apr 2012 Michael Drake wrote:
In article <52869aceb1dhwild(a)talktalk.net>,
David H Wild <dhwild(a)talktalk.net> wrote:
> It does it here on my RPC 6.20 with r13571 as long as the picture
is on
> the screen. Moving the page so that the picture is off the display stops
> the flicker but moving it back restarts the flickering.
I don't get this problem here (RO5). Richard, are you on RO6
too?
Yes. (RPC with vPod)
David/Richard, what's your memory cache size set to?
(NetSurf iconbar menu, Choices.... Cache, Size)
5MB.
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8:14 a.m.
Hi,
I'm running VARPC with RISC OS Adjust 4.39 using the StrongARM emulation and NetSurf
r13571. No Problems. Pointer behaves exactly as expected.
Alan
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:42:23 +1200, Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
In message <86a88c8652.ricp(a)user.minijem.plus.com>
Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 26 Apr 2012 Tony Moore wrote:
>
> > On 26 Apr 2012, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>
> >> When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same
> >> site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
> >> pointing hand and an hour glass.
> >>
> >> http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-ach
> >> ieving-more/
>
> > [snip]
>
> >> Currently using r13534.
>
> > No problem here with r13571
>
> Still doing it for me now with r13571
No such problem for me with r13571.
Dave
7:14 a.m.
In article <ac26828652.ricp(a)user.minijem.plus.com>,
Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
When NetSurf is displaying the following page and others on the same
site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a
pointing hand and an hour glass.
This only happens when the top part of the page is displayed.
Should be fixed in build #1277.
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