9:59 p.m.
On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
won't
let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. This is
something I regularly want to do when, for example, there's a bit of
Javascript that redirects me to a different page. I have to view the
source and then change the filetype to Text before copying the new URL
to the clipboard. This shouldn't be necessary.
It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source. Press
f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to copy it to
the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL window), press
ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood the problem?
Tony
9:33 p.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
won't
> let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source.
Press
f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to copy it to
the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL window), press
ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood the problem?
The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
9:57 p.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> > One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
> > won't let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
> It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source.
> Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to
> copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL
> window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood
> the problem?
The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
to view the NS HTML source?
Tony
10:51 p.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
>> On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>
>>> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
>>> won't let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
>
>> It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source.
>> Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to
>> copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL
>> window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood
>> the problem?
>
> The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
> the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
> text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
> seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from
the
clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
to view the NS HTML source?
Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
11:34 p.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message
<892ccc4a54.ricp(a)user.minijem.plus.com>:
On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
> > the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
> > text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
> > seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
> As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
> clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
> to view the NS HTML source?
Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
Clipboard.
Thinking about it, I believe it's actually Edit's problem. It's certainly
not NetSurf because if you're talking about the URL bar in a browser window,
NetSurf relies on the OS (or something like IcnClipBrd) to handle cut and
paste for it.
When you do Ctrl-V in the field, whatever processes it (the OS on RISC OS
Select; IcnClipBrd everywhere else) sends the clipboard owner (Edit) a list
of types that it can handle in order of descending preference. For a
writable icon, that will only be text. The owner should look down the list
and pick the best type (or least worst) that it can support, generally
flattening to plain text as a last resort if that option's available.
My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you say,
doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
Protocol correctly.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
12:29 a.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014, Steve Fryatt <lists(a)stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
On 21 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message
<892ccc4a54.ricp(a)user.minijem.plus.com>:
> On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> > On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp(a)minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> > > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type
> > > to the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept
> > > plain text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This
> > > restriction seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
>
> > As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from
> > the clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are
> > you using to view the NS HTML source?
>
> Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
> StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
> ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
> assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
Clipboard.
According to the Quick Reference page in the StrongED StrongHelp manual:
cs-C Copy block to clipboard
cs-V Paste clipboard to text
I don't know whether 'to text' means 'to the cursor', or if it
implies
conversion to text before pasting.
Tony
1:01 a.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
Clipboard.
So in what way is that different fron Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V in Edit?
Thinking about it, I believe it's actually Edit's problem.
It's certainly
not NetSurf because if you're talking about the URL bar in a browser window,
NetSurf relies on the OS (or something like IcnClipBrd) to handle cut and
paste for it.
When you do Ctrl-V in the field, whatever processes it (the OS on
RISC OS
Select; IcnClipBrd everywhere else) sends the clipboard owner (Edit) a list
of types that it can handle in order of descending preference. For a
writable icon, that will only be text. The owner should look down the list
and pick the best type (or least worst) that it can support, generally
flattening to plain text as a last resort if that option's available.
My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you
say,
doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
Protocol correctly.
I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to
paste it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from
another document. Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the
selected URL twice! Well at least it did paste the URL but it's not
surprising that I gave up on StrongEd.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
1:28 a.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message
<4a10d84a54.ricp(a)user.minijem.plus.com>:
On 21 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
> No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
> Clipboard.
So in what way is that different fron Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V in Edit?
It isn't. In StrongED, Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V do the "old style" direct copy/move
that Edit used to do.
> My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what
you say,
> doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
> Protocol correctly.
I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to paste
it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from another
document.
See above. You can re-map the keys so that Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V behave as Edit, but
the detail of how to do it is off-topic for this list.
Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the selected URL twice!
In NetSurf? Is that repeatable? What settings do you have on in the OS for
cut and paste in writable icons?
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
10:41 a.m.
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On 22 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
> Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the selected URL twice!
That could have been because I copied the URL after duplicating it.
In NetSurf? Is that repeatable? What settings do you have on in the
OS for
cut and paste in writable icons?
Where can I find those settings?
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
11:45 a.m.
New subject: Why is NetSurf so fussy? -- OT StrongEd branch
Richard Porter wrote on 22 Sep:
I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it
duplicates the
block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to
paste it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from
another document. Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the
selected URL twice! Well at least it did paste the URL but it's not
surprising that I gave up on StrongEd.
I felt like you till I discovered how to change the "Mode" file within
StrongEd so that Ctrl-XCV work in the "standard" way that I'm used to
in other apps. (Can send you my amended file if you email me.)
Then I added StrongEd to the apps that load automatically every time I
boot the machine, in order to force myself to tackle the learning
curve, and I'm glad I did. The ascent turned out to be not that bad.
A few puzzles remain, such as a StrongEd keystroke to match Edit's
handy Ctrl-F6 to un-split lines.
--
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