11:13 a.m.
Hi,
I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS. Can anyone point me in the right direction
please. There was nothing in the help file to assist.
Regards,
--
Chris
11:19 a.m.
From: cvjazz(a)waitrose.com
Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:13:35 +0000 (GMT)
To: netsurf-users(a)netsurf-browser.org
Subject: Find !Fetch_NS
Hi,
I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS. Can anyone point me in the right
direction
please. There was nothing in the help file to assist.
It's at http://aconet.org/tools/index.php
Dave
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11:33 a.m.
In article <1C002746D5F.00000485dave(a)davehigton.me.uk>,
Dave Higton <dave(a)davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> From: cvjazz(a)waitrose.com
> Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:13:35 +0000 (GMT)
> To: netsurf-users(a)netsurf-browser.org
> Subject: Find !Fetch_NS
>
> Hi,
>
> I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS. Can anyone point me in the right
> direction
> please. There was nothing in the help file to assist.
Thanks, Dave.
--
Chris
11:27 a.m.
In article <532e67d218cvjazz(a)waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz(a)waitrose.com> wrote:
I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS.
Out of interest, why don't people just visit
http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/?C=M;O=D
And download either of the top two archives (depending on whether they
want a JavaScript build), and run it like any other peice of software?
At least they'll know what software they're running if they fetched it
themselves.
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
12:19 p.m.
Michael Drake wrote
In article <532e67d218cvjazz(a)waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz(a)waitrose.com> wrote:
> I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS.
Out of interest, why don't people just visit
And download either of the top two archives (depending on whether
they
want a JavaScript build), and run it like any other peice of software?
At least they'll know what software they're running if they
fetched it
themselves.
Its because, on a good day**, it will automatically delete the current
version of NetSurf and replace it with the latest version if it has
changed.
FWIW I always look at the development site to see what has changed. If
NS has changed and the change is likely to be relevant to RISC OS then
I run the fetch program.
** on a bad day the fetch works but the fetcher stops saying it can't
find the file it has just down loaded. (...vita brevis est)
--
John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
"Poetry is a MUG's game" - TS Eliot
12:52 p.m.
On 18 Mar 2013 John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Michael Drake wrote
> In article <532e67d218cvjazz(a)waitrose.com>,
> Chris Newman <cvjazz(a)waitrose.com> wrote:
>> I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS.
> Out of interest, why don't people just visit
> And download either of the top two archives (depending on whether
they
> want a JavaScript build), and run it like any other peice of software?
> At least they'll know what software they're running if
they fetched it
> themselves.
Its because, on a good day**, it will automatically delete the
current
version of NetSurf and replace it with the latest version if it has
changed.
I totally agree with this reason for using Fetch_NS. Mind you, I think
there are more than one version of it floating around; the one I have
says it's version 2.10, but I can't remember who wrote this. It's
certainly very different from the original version. A note in the !Run
file says, "This is a seriously modified version of John Williams'
Fetch_NS."
FWIW I always look at the development site to see what has changed.
If
NS has changed and the change is likely to be relevant to RISC OS then
I run the fetch program.
Pardon my ignorance, but where can find what has changed? I've looked
for this, but have never found it, not that it would make a whole lot
of sense to me, perhaps!
** on a bad day the fetch works but the fetcher stops saying it
can't
find the file it has just down loaded. (...vita brevis est)
Never had that happen here!
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ta) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk
1:33 p.m.
Peter Young wrote
Pardon my ignorance, but where can find what has changed? I've
looked
for this, but have never found it, not that it would make a whole lot
of sense to me, perhaps!
http://git.netsurf-browser.org/
john
--
John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Tout a été dit, mais comme personne n'écoute, il faut toujours
répéter.
2:49 p.m.
On 18 Mar 2013 John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Peter Young wrote
> Pardon my ignorance, but where can find what has changed?
I've looked
> for this, but have never found it, not that it would make a whole lot
> of sense to me, perhaps!
Thanks, I had in fact found that. I'm sure it means something to
somebody, but as I rather expected ...
I'll leave it all to the experts, and will continue to be grateful to
the expert developers.
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ta) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk
3:26 p.m.
Peter Young wrote
On 18 Mar 2013 John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk>
wrote:
> Peter Young wrote
>> Pardon my ignorance, but where can find what has changed?
I've looked
>> for this, but have never found it, not that it would make a whole lot
>> of sense to me, perhaps!
Thanks, I had in fact found that. I'm sure it means something to
somebody, but as I rather expected ...
Just look down the idle column for green text. If it is on the same
line, click "NetSurf Browser" and read all about it, and who done it:)
--
John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
No sé nada, y no estoy seguro de éso
3:49 p.m.
In message <9a8e7b2e53.pnyoung(a)pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
On 18 Mar 2013 John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk>
wrote:
> Peter Young wrote
>> Pardon my ignorance, but where can find what has changed?
I've looked
>> for this, but have never found it, not that it would make a whole lot
>> of sense to me, perhaps!
Thanks, I had in fact found that. I'm sure it means something to
somebody, but as I rather expected ...
I'll leave it all to the experts, and will continue to be
grateful to
the expert developers.
I see what you mean.
Try here:
http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/
Scroll to the bottom for the latest release (ie highest number) -
wouldn't it be nice if that was at the top?
Click on the blue writing (notice the pointer changes to a little
hand with a rude pointy finger) which will download the zip file
Position caret before the release number in the Destination box and
press Ctrl-K which deletes superfluous parts of the file name
Drag the zip icon (top of the download window) to the already opened
filer window on your Hard Drive
When it's located, Double-Click on it to open
Drag the blue !Netsurf icon over your existing copy if you have
one...
Couldn't be simpler... or could it?
Hope that helps :-)
--
Allan Bennett
4:29 p.m.
In article <2b13812e53.SuperAl(a)albenito.eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk>,
Allan Bennett <albenito(a)eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
* Drag the blue !Netsurf icon over your existing copy if you have
one...
No. Create a new dated directory with the latest version in and start
using it. If you experience problems go back to the one you were using
previously.
--
Stuart Winsor
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4:40 p.m.
In message <532e84b530Stuartlists(a)orpheusinternet.co.uk>
lists <Stuartlists(a)orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
In article
<2b13812e53.SuperAl(a)albenito.eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk>,
Allan Bennett <albenito(a)eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> * Drag the blue !Netsurf icon over your existing copy if you have
> one...
No. Create a new dated directory with the latest version in and
start
using it. If you experience problems go back to the one you were using
previously.
But that can be done by deleting the one in use and opening the
previous zip file.
Having just one operating version 'visible' in the filer means it
works automagically on boot-up or when a URL on my pinboard is
activated. !Fetch_NS works like this, doesn't it?
No need for extra directories - the numbered zip files serve that
purpose.
Surely?
--
Allan Bennett
7:21 p.m.
Allan Bennett wrote on 18 Mar:
Scroll to the bottom for the latest release (ie highest number) -
wouldn't it be nice if that was at the top?
It IS at the top if you use the slightly different link that
Michael Drake gave earlier today:
http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/?C=M;O=D
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
See you at Wakefield? www.wakefieldshow.org.uk April 20
6:38 p.m.
In article <f6d26d2e53.iyojohn(a)rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Michael Drake wrote
> In article <532e67d218cvjazz(a)waitrose.com>,
> Chris Newman <cvjazz(a)waitrose.com> wrote:
>> I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS.
> Out of interest, why don't people just visit
> And download either of the top two archives (depending on
whether they
> want a JavaScript build), and run it like any other peice of software?
> At least they'll know what software they're running if
they fetched it
> themselves.
Its because, on a good day**, it will automatically delete the
current
version of NetSurf and replace it with the latest version if it has
changed.
Er? My copy (2.10 of 17-12-2012) doesn't dd that. it just downloads the
latest zip file. I have to manually delete the old & instigate the new. Have
I missed something?
--
Chris
6:46 p.m.
Chris Newman wrote
> Its because, on a good day**, it will automatically delete the
current
> version of NetSurf and replace it with the latest version if it has
> changed.
Er? My copy (2.10 of 17-12-2012) doesn't dd that. it just
downloads the
latest zip file. I have to manually delete the old & instigate the new. Have
I missed something?
That is the same as mine - Fetch_NS version 2.10 of 17-12-2012 which
does what I said above. Before deleting the old version it also quits
any NetSurf that is running then restarts the new one.
But a good day happens about one in three. More common is that it
forces NS to quit, deletes the current NS then fails to find the new
one. So I have to complete the job manually.
--
John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Ein nasser Vogel fliegt nicht bei Nacht - Das ist der Sinn des Lebens.
6:53 p.m.
In article <1850912e53.iyojohn(a)rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Chris Newman wrote
>> Its because, on a good day**, it will automatically delete
the current
>> version of NetSurf and replace it with the latest version if it has
>> changed.
> Er? My copy (2.10 of 17-12-2012) doesn't dd that. it just
downloads the
> latest zip file. I have to manually delete the old & instigate the new. Have
> I missed something?
That is the same as mine - Fetch_NS version 2.10 of 17-12-2012 which
does what I said above. Before deleting the old version it also quits
any NetSurf that is running then restarts the new one.
But a good day happens about one in three. More common is that it
forces NS to quit, deletes the current NS then fails to find the new
one. So I have to complete the job manually.
How odd. I see you seem to be on an Iyonix so RiscOS 6? Could that make a
difference? I can't see how. I wonder what behaviour others get. I've re-read
the idiots guide & can't see much to help but I will have a look at where I
put wget/ curl.
--
Chris
8:40 p.m.
In message <1850912e53.iyojohn(a)rickman.argonet.co.uk>
John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
But a good day happens about one in three. More common is that it
forces NS to quit, deletes the current NS then fails to find the new
one. So I have to complete the job manually.
Try having your de-archiving program (SparkFS or whatever) loaded and
on the icon bar before you run FetchNS. This improved the success rate
to 100% here (admittedly on a sample of only 3 downloads) after having
exactly the problem you describe; I imagine something in FetchNS times
out while waiting for the archive to be opened.
Anyway it isn't too hard to download the archives from the Netsurf
site and manually install the program and I have reverted to doing it
that way.
--
Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8
RISC OS 6.20
6:46 a.m.
Brian Jordan wrote
> But a good day happens about one in three. More common is that
it
> forces NS to quit, deletes the current NS then fails to find the new
> one. So I have to complete the job manually.
Try having your de-archiving program (SparkFS or whatever) loaded
and
on the icon bar before you run FetchNS. This improved the success rate
to 100% here (admittedly on a sample of only 3 downloads) after having
exactly the problem you describe; I imagine something in FetchNS times
out while waiting for the archive to be opened.
Thanks - that appears to be the solution - with a sample size of
one:-)
--
John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
4:47 a.m.
On 18 Mar 2013 Chris Newman <cvjazz(a)waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <f6d26d2e53.iyojohn(a)rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
John Rickman Iyonix <rickman(a)argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Michael Drake wrote
>> In article <532e67d218cvjazz(a)waitrose.com>,
>> Chris Newman <cvjazz(a)waitrose.com> wrote:
>>> I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS.
>> Out of interest, why don't people just visit
>> And download either of the top two archives (depending on
whether they
>> want a JavaScript build), and run it like any other peice of software?
>> At least they'll know what software they're running
if they fetched it
>> themselves.
> Its because, on a good day**, it will automatically delete the
current
> version of NetSurf and replace it with the latest version if it has
> changed.
Er? My copy (2.10 of 17-12-2012) doesn't dd that. it just
downloads the
latest zip file. I have to manually delete the old & instigate the new. Have
I missed something?
Probably. I have that version, and it does delete the current version,
and unpack and run the new one.
However the (anonymous, German) author of that version, heavily
modified from John's original, specifically asked that questions or
comments about this version should not be posted here, but instead to
c.s.a.apps.
I suggest we take it there, where I will be pleased to try to explain
how to configure that version, which involves changing some if its
obey files. That is, if it's still of interest to anyone. It's
certainly off-topic here.
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk
5:11 a.m.
In article <e456c82e53.pnyoung(a)pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
However the (anonymous, German) author
Frank de Bruijn - Dutch, surely?
of that version, heavily modified from John's original,
because I prefer to see what's going on myself and make my own decisions
specifically asked that questions or comments about this version
should
not be posted here, but instead to c.s.a.apps
at my suggestion, IIRC. Wrath is best avoided!
John
5:21 a.m.
On 19 Mar 2013 John Williams <JohnRW(a)ukgateway.net> wrote:
In article <e456c82e53.pnyoung(a)pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> However the (anonymous, German) author
Frank de Bruijn - Dutch, surely?
Thanks for the double correction!
> of that version, heavily modified from John's original,
because I prefer to see what's going on myself and make my own
decisions
I can see that, but you have a lot of technical knowledge that a lot
of us don't have. Some of us like to keep things simple.
> specifically asked that questions or comments about this version
should
> not be posted here, but instead to c.s.a.apps
at my suggestion, IIRC. Wrath is best avoided!
You probably recall correctly. However, druck is conspicuous by his
absence when threads go off-topic these days. Maybe marriage has
softened him up a bit :-)
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk
8:43 a.m.
In article <e456c82e53.pnyoung(a)pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
<pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
However the (anonymous, German) author of that version, heavily
modified
from John's original, specifically asked that questions or comments about
this version should not be posted here, but instead to c.s.a.apps.
I suggest we take it there, where I will be pleased to try to explain
how
to configure that version, which involves changing some if its obey files.
That is, if it's still of interest to anyone. It's certainly off-topic
here.
As John Williams pointed out, it seems to be Frank de Bruijn. The aconet
website, which is the home of Fetch_NS has a little bit of Dutch at the top &
has the brilliant CrypStore, which I know is one of his apps.
http://aconet.org/tools/index.php
On delving a bit further into Fetch_NS, I need to alter the settings file to
tell it where my Netsurf is stored to make it work best. As suggested, I'll
now take this over to c.s.a. apps.
Thanks for help so far.
--
Chris
12:40 p.m.
In article <532e691ca1tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <532e67d218cvjazz(a)waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz(a)waitrose.com> wrote:
> I've lost the link to !Fetch_NS.
Out of interest, why don't people just visit
And download either of the top two archives (depending on whether
they
want a JavaScript build), and run it like any other peice of software?
At least they'll know what software they're running if they
fetched it
themselves.
Quite so.
--
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