12:37 a.m.
there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the
text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K).
may i suggest that it were a Good Thing to eschew this style of
utterly annoyingly painful panes so beloved in Microsoftland, where
people are so often required to agree "license" terms that they are
deemed to have read (but probably never do) in one of these utterly
aggravating little scrolling panes. yes, it's a pet peeve.
--
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10:14 p.m.
On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message
<286dfbb551.jim(a)nails.abbeypress.net>:
there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the
text in
the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K).
No: it seems that the need for horizontal scrollbars on treeview windows was
overlooked when I updated the RISC OS frontend to work with the core
treeview.
I'll try to fix it properly, but given that (due to the unique way that the
RISC OS Wimp seems to work) it looks as if it's going to require some
non-trivial changes to the whole treeview window resizing and extent code,
the short-term solution might just be to permanently add a horizontal
scrollbar to the certificate pane. That works, and doesn't risk breaking a
lot of other stuff by accident.
may i suggest that it were a Good Thing to eschew this style of
utterly
annoyingly painful panes [...]
You may, but since they're OK by my reading of the Style Guide and IMHO
they're the best compromise when displaying this kind of thing in a dialogue
box (which the SSL Certificate dialogue is), I can't see it changing any
time soon (unless the RO frontend gets some more developers, I suppose, in
which case one of them might decide to do something :-).
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Saturday 16 April 2011
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7:53 a.m.
New subject: Sloppy writing generates false positive spam warnings (was Re: aggravating pane)
On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message
<286dfbb551.jim(a)nails.abbeypress.net>:
there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the
text in
the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K).
Those two very vague subjects of 'aggravating pane' and 'mobile Facebook'
(sic) combined with the mostly lower-case, unpunctuated body text both
looked so much like maillist spam to me that I nearly consigned the original
poster to spam-filter oblivion without looking any closer. You need to write
more properer than that, Jim; it's a bad idea to write so sloppily you
generate false positives on people's spam filters. I'm not even talking
about a computer-controlled filter here - this time you almost fooled the
human. And if I'd actually bothered to set up a computer-moderated filter
with the criteria I was mentally applying, you certainly would have been
caught by it.
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8:23 p.m.
New subject: OT (was:Re: Sloppy writing generates false positive spam warnings (was Re: aggravating pane))
In article <ae0f2bb751.zen44412(a)zen.co.uk>, Simon Smith
<simon_smith(a)zen.co.uk> wrote:
On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message
<286dfbb551.jim(a)nails.abbeypress.net>:
> there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of
the
> text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf:
> www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K).
Those two very vague subjects of 'aggravating pane' and
'mobile
Facebook' (sic) combined with the mostly lower-case, unpunctuated body
text both looked so much like maillist spam to me that I nearly
consigned the original poster to spam-filter oblivion without looking
any closer. You need to write more properer than that, Jim; it's a bad
idea to write so sloppily you generate false positives on people's spam
filters. I'm not even talking about a computer-controlled filter here -
this time you almost fooled the human. And if I'd actually bothered to
set up a computer-moderated filter with the criteria I was mentally
applying, you certainly would have been caught by it.
This is a good example of stifling creativity or at least a personal
style. One could criticise you for your subjective assessment of
perfectly good subject lines, sentence length, use of words such as
'properer' and 'maillist', mis-use of a semi-colon, starting a sentence
with 'And', the use of contractions in written English, and a split
infinitive.
Pot. Kettle.
i am sure jim may ignore the shift key and punctuation for a good reason
no meaning is lost
Perhaps you should use an ISP who uses proper spam eradication techniques
instead of a sledgehammer approach based on what you think prose should
look like.
While you ponder that, please also reply elsewhere as your post had
nothing to do with the brilliant NetSurf.
6:08 a.m.
On 20 Mar, Steve Fryatt wrote in message
<mpro.lid0vi07nzp6o01ji.lists(a)stevefryatt.org.uk>:
On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message
<286dfbb551.jim(a)nails.abbeypress.net>:
> there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the text
> in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf:
> www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K).
No: it seems that the need for horizontal scrollbars on treeview windows
was overlooked when I updated the RISC OS frontend to work with the core
treeview.
FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a permanent
horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to
look at doing it "properly" after 2.7 is out.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
Saturday 16 April 2011
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
7:33 a.m.
Steve Fryatt wrote on 28 Mar:
FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a permanent
horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to
look at doing it "properly" after 2.7 is out.
great stuff, thanks.
JOOC why is it called a "treeview" window? what's the programming or
design concept here?
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
4:56 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:33:30AM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
Steve Fryatt wrote on 28 Mar:
> FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a permanent
> horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to
> look at doing it "properly" after 2.7 is out.
great stuff, thanks.
JOOC why is it called a "treeview" window? what's the programming or
design concept here?
Because it allows you to view a tree structure.
B.
7:14 p.m.
On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote:
there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the
text in
the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K).
Steve Fryatt wrote on 28 Mar:
> FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a
permanent
> horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to
> look at doing it "properly" after 2.7 is out.
Jim Nagel wrote:
JOOC why is it called a "treeview" window? what's the
programming or
design concept here?
Rob Kendrick wrote on 29 Mar:
Because it allows you to view a tree structure.
OK, i see that for (say) the Hotlist window, which has the tree
structure where you can click the "+" to expand a branch into twigs.
but i don't grasp what puts the "certificate" display, about which i
originally aksed in this thread, into the treeview category. after
all, it displays only one item.
the Hotlist, i note, can be dragged wider, though it has no horizontal
scrollbar.
anyway, i'm not saying this is a big deal or worth any programmer's
valuable time. the Certificate window hardly ever comes up, in my
experience, so can live with the aggravating fixed-size pane (like a
Windows "license" pane that nobody can be pained to read).
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
8:35 p.m.
On Tue, March 29, 2011 12:14 pm, Jim Nagel wrote:
Rob Kendrick wrote on 29 Mar:
> Because it allows you to view a tree structure.
OK, i see that for (say) the Hotlist window, which has the tree
structure where you can click the "+" to expand a branch into twigs.
but i don't grasp what puts the "certificate" display, about which i
originally aksed in this thread, into the treeview category. after
all, it displays only one item.
It's just a programming term: the hotlist, global history, cookies and
certificate display all happen to use a display widget (supplied by
NetSurf) known as the "treeview" to put their content into the window.
Incidentally, it was this that caused the RISC OS support kerfuffle last
year: the treeview widget and the code that used it originally resided in
our frontend (so the others didn't get a look in). When it was moved into
the core so that it could be shared around the other platforms, the RISC
OS code needed some surgery to handle the loss. It was this surgery that
didn't take account of the horizontal scroll bar properly.
the Hotlist, i note, can be dragged wider, though it has no
horizontal
scrollbar.
It does now: that was the point of the most recent fix, because the
problem that affected certificates could also affect the other tree
windows in more extreme cases (if the text line was wider than your
monitor).
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
Saturday 16 April 2011
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
9:03 p.m.
Steve Fryatt wrote on 29 Mar:
> the Hotlist, i note, can be dragged wider, though it has no
horizontal
> scrollbar.
It does now: that was the point of the most recent fix, because the
problem that affected certificates could also affect the other tree
windows in more extreme cases (if the text line was wider than your
monitor).
has horiz-scrollbar been added to Hotlist since r12139 (March 26)
which i'm using at the moment? Hotlist here does not have one and
doesn't need one, since window-resize button at bottom right does the
drag-wide job. (but then Hotlist isn't afflicted with the fixed-size
pane that causes the pain.)
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
9:49 p.m.
On 29 Mar 2011 Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
Steve Fryatt wrote on 29 Mar:
>> the Hotlist, i note, can be dragged wider, though it has no
horizontal
>> scrollbar.
> It does now: that was the point of the most recent fix, because
the
> problem that affected certificates could also affect the other tree
> windows in more extreme cases (if the text line was wider than your
> monitor).
has horiz-scrollbar been added to Hotlist since r12139 (March 26)
which i'm using at the moment? Hotlist here does not have one and
doesn't need one, since window-resize button at bottom right does the
drag-wide job. (but then Hotlist isn't afflicted with the fixed-size
pane that causes the pain.)
That scroll-bar appears here in r12142 (28 March).
With best wishes,
Peter.
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