9:38 a.m.
On 1 May 2006 as I do recall,
"Christopher Bazley" wrote:
To many people this may seem like a trivial issue, but it concerns a
pet hate of mine and this seems to be the appropriate place to air it.
I have noticed that pressing the Return key in the 'Name' writable
field of the 'Edit address' dialogue box does not activate the default
('OK') action button; instead it moves the caret down to the next
('URL') writable field. This behaviour is contrary to the RISC OS 3
style guide and therefore has been deprecated for more than ten
years.
On the subject of keypress handling (although otherwise irrelevant) can
I add that I get somewhat disconcerted by the fact that Netsurf appears
to implement *some* of its key handling independently of the Wimp, with
the result that in some but not all cases, 'extension' modules like
IcnClipBrd don't seem to work? In particular, the problems I remember
encountering on a regular basis are Netsurf (or possibly RISC OS 5)'s
default "PC delete", which means that attempting to delete the character
to the right of the cursor (a very frequent keypress on my part)
duplicates the action of Ctrl-Down arrow (a very infrequent keypress),
irrespective of the fact that I normally have this remapped, and the
extension "Ctrl-K" action, which deletes all text from the cursor to the
start of the icon... except in certain Netsurf writable icons.
(I think it must be web forms specifically, as I can't seem to duplicate
this behaviour offline for testing purposes.)
Also, when pasting things - generally URLS -- into text areas, I've
noticed that Netsurf frequently inserts the contents of the clipboard on
the line *above* the cursor position on a Ctrl-V keypress; I don't know
if this is related to the other 'extension module' issues above. But
since I can't find any way of deleting or moving selected blocks in a
text area, it can be quite slow to repair the confused text that
results.
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H. Bazley
He who falls in love with himself will have no rivals.
6:26 p.m.
New subject: [Netsurf-develop] NetSurf key handling does not comply with Style Guide
On Tue, 2 May 2006, Harriet Bazley wrote:
On the subject of keypress handling (although otherwise irrelevant)
can
I add that I get somewhat disconcerted by the fact that Netsurf appears
to implement *some* of its key handling independently of the Wimp, with
the result that in some but not all cases, 'extension' modules like
IcnClipBrd don't seem to work?
All text fields in the content area of NetSurf windows have nothing
whatsoever to do with the Wimp; they are implemented entirely within
NetSurf itself. Therefore, the likes of IcnClipBrd are unlikely to work
with them (as they're not Wimp icons).
In particular, the problems I remember encountering on a regular
basis
are Netsurf (or possibly RISC OS 5)'s default "PC delete", which means
that attempting to delete the character to the right of the cursor (a
very frequent keypress on my part) duplicates the action of Ctrl-Down
arrow (a very infrequent keypress),
Yes, because that is exactly the behaviour the Style Guide mandates when
dealing with PC keyboards. On RISC OS 5, NetSurf behaves as follows:
Backspace: Delete left
Delete : Delete right
End : Go to end of text entry field
On RISC OS <5, NetSurf behaves as follows:
Backspace: Delete left
Delete : Delete left
End : Delete right
These are the correct behaviours for the versions of RISC OS in question.
If you wish to use old-style input, then I advise installing a module such
as PCKeys, which will remap the relevant keys to the old way of doing
things. It is not down to NetSurf to cater for this.
irrespective of the fact that I normally have this remapped, and the
extension "Ctrl-K" action, which deletes all text from the cursor to the
start of the icon... except in certain Netsurf writable icons.
Where is this documented? It's not in my copy of the Style Guide (nor
PRM3). NetSurf already implements this functionality (though with a
different key binding):
Ctrl-Delete will delete from the start of a line to the current caret
position.
Ctrl-End will delete from the current caret position to the end of a line.
This is the same on all OS versions.
Also, when pasting things - generally URLS -- into text areas,
I've
noticed that Netsurf frequently inserts the contents of the clipboard on
the line *above* the cursor position on a Ctrl-V keypress;
I believe this is a known issue - similar things happen when dragging
content to a text field.
John.
6:17 a.m.
New subject: [Netsurf-develop] NetSurf key handling does not comply with Style Guide
On 2 May, John-Mark Bell wrote in message
<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0605021014050.25096(a)random.ecs.soton.ac.uk>:
On Tue, 2 May 2006, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> In particular, the problems I remember encountering on a regular basis
> are Netsurf (or possibly RISC OS 5)'s default "PC delete", which means
> that attempting to delete the character to the right of the cursor (a
> very frequent keypress on my part) duplicates the action of Ctrl-Down
> arrow (a very infrequent keypress),
Yes, because that is exactly the behaviour the Style Guide mandates when
dealing with PC keyboards. On RISC OS 5, NetSurf behaves as follows:
Backspace: Delete left
Delete : Delete right
End : Go to end of text entry field
On RISC OS <5, NetSurf behaves as follows:
Backspace: Delete left
Delete : Delete left
End : Delete right
These are the correct behaviours for the versions of RISC OS in
question. If you wish to use old-style input, then I advise installing
a module such as PCKeys, which will remap the relevant keys to the old
way of doing things. It is not down to NetSurf to cater for this.
PCKeys 2 from my website should do this on an Iyonix, if set up to work
with Netsurf, though it isn't something I've felt the need to try.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
12:08 a.m.
New subject: [Netsurf-develop] NetSurf key handling does not comply with Style Guide
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:38:34AM +0100, Harriet Bazley wrote:
On 1 May 2006 as I do recall,
"Christopher Bazley" wrote:
> To many people this may seem like a trivial issue, but it concerns a
> pet hate of mine and this seems to be the appropriate place to air it.
>
> I have noticed that pressing the Return key in the 'Name' writable
> field of the 'Edit address' dialogue box does not activate the default
> ('OK') action button; instead it moves the caret down to the next
> ('URL') writable field. This behaviour is contrary to the RISC OS 3
> style guide and therefore has been deprecated for more than ten
> years.
On the subject of keypress handling (although otherwise irrelevant)
[...]
Also on the subject of keypress handling but otherwise irrelevant...
This is incredibly trivial, but would it be possible for Netsurf to use
the "space" key to page through long documents, in the manner of
firefox et al? It seems that at present you can only use the "page
down" key.
G.
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