9:26 a.m.
The good news:
I've just used Netsurf (Dev) (28 Dec 2007 15:45) with Barclays
Bank to set up a payment.
The not so good news:
The writable fields are much too small. They won't display
even half the height of a character. This makes it difficult
to verify that a field has been entered correctly, of course.
Is there any chance of a fix in the not too distant future?
I know it's been known for a long time. Surely the height
of a writable field must be at least enough for one character
to be displayed?
Iyonix, RO5.11.
Dave
10:48 a.m.
The good news:
I've just used Netsurf (Dev) (28 Dec 2007 15:45) with Barclays
Bank to set up a payment.
The not so good news:
The writable fields are much too small. They won't display
even half the height of a character. This makes it difficult
to verify that a field has been entered correctly, of course.
Is there any chance of a fix in the not too distant future?
I know it's been known for a long time. Surely the height
of a writable field must be at least enough for one character
to be displayed?
Iyonix, RO5.11.
Dave
I have had similar problems on a number of sites which either ask you
to 'Register' or you wish to send a detailed request via their site
where the 'box' to enter this information does not display correctly
either on my RPC under RiscOS6 or on the A9Home.
Chris.
2:10 p.m.
In message <433893604f.davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com>
Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
I've just used Netsurf (Dev) (28 Dec 2007 15:45) with Barclays
Bank to set up a payment.
The writable fields are much too small. They won't display
even half the height of a character. This makes it difficult
to verify that a field has been entered correctly, of course.
This has been a problem with NetSurf and Barclays for a very long
time. It makes it harder to use, but not impossible and it's the
reason I tend to use O2 for this site. Over the years Barclays has
been pretty good at maintaining access via RISC OS browsers and I've
always been a little surprised that NetSurf has this problem. A
solution would certainly be appreciated.
--
Regards,
TerryK
3:14 p.m.
In article <193aad604f.Terry(a)tez.freeserve.co.uk>,
TerryK <tk(a)bowie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
In message <433893604f.davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com>
Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> I've just used Netsurf (Dev) (28 Dec 2007 15:45) with Barclays
> Bank to set up a payment.
> The writable fields are much too small. They won't display
> even half the height of a character. This makes it difficult
> to verify that a field has been entered correctly, of course.
This has been a problem with NetSurf and Barclays for a very long
time. It makes it harder to use, but not impossible and it's the
reason I tend to use O2 for this site. Over the years Barclays has
been pretty good at maintaining access via RISC OS browsers and I've
always been a little surprised that NetSurf has this problem. A
solution would certainly be appreciated.
Over a year ago now, I made a similar point aboout Barclays web-site,
and after some discussion with the Netsurf developer's the problem is
overly nested reductions of font size in table structures - below the
minimum set as Netsurf default - down to about 1-1/2 pt!!!!!!!
It is apparently not easy to make sure that the user-set minimum font
size is obeyed under these circumstances. I am sure that they are working
on this, however!
I usually manage to get everything to work, nevertheless!
Keith
--
Inspired!
7:05 p.m.
New subject: Online banking with NetSurf
In article <433893604f.davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com>,
Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
I've just used NetSurf with Barclays Bank to set up a payment.
The writable fields are much too small. They won't display
even half the height of a character.
Please try the latest test build and report back. (I don't have a Barklays
account.)
Michael
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
4:09 a.m.
New subject: Online banking with NetSurf
In a dim and distant universe <4f6a912557tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> enlightened us thusly:
Please try the latest test build and report back. (I don't have
a
Barklays account.)
According to he recent SVN activity on the bug tracker r3817 says to "Treat
font tag relative sizes of +/- >1 the same as one."
This is incorrect. Correct (albeit now deprecated) operation should allow
for font relative sizes of +/- up to 4 (for valid font sizes 1 - 7)
See HTML4 standards at http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/graphics.html
This has actually been quite a long-standing bug in NetSurf.
4:21 a.m.
New subject: Font tag support
In article <4f6ac2f58elists-nospam(a)vigay.com>,
Paul Vigay <lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
According to he recent SVN activity on the bug tracker r3817 says to
"Treat font tag relative sizes of +/- >1 the same as one."
This is incorrect. Correct (albeit now deprecated) operation should
allow
for font relative sizes of +/- up to 4 (for valid font sizes 1 - 7)
Of course, but it improves on what we had before. Font tag sizes don't sit
well with NetSurf's CSS based innards, so it is not straightforward.
Michael
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
4:36 a.m.
New subject: Font tag support
In a dim and distant universe <4f6ac41426tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> enlightened us thusly:
Of course, but it improves on what we had before. Font tag sizes
don't
sit well with NetSurf's CSS based innards, so it is not straightforward.
Of course, I have no idea how NetSurf's internals work, but assuming the
parser can read the font size value, isn't it a simple(!!) case of
temporarily knocking the font size up or down a size until the closing tag.
If <strong> or <em> can make a small portion of text bold or italic (which
currently works ok), couldn't you just go up or down a point size (as
presumably it knows what point size it's currently plotting text in) and
assuming the existing size is 9pt then make font +1 temporarily use 10pt
and font-1 use 8pt ?
I wouldn't have thought it would be a great deal different to changing to a
bold or italic font style, but then <manuel>I know nothing</manuel> :-)
3:36 p.m.
New subject: Online banking with NetSurf
In article <4f6a912557tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <433893604f.davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com>,
Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> I've just used NetSurf with Barclays Bank to set up a
payment.
> The writable fields are much too small. They won't display
> even half the height of a character.
Please try the latest test build and report back. (I don't have a
Barklays
account.)
You don't actually need an account to see what is wrong, just enter
http://www.ibank.barclays.co.uk/
and, when that loads, click on the login button at the top of the button
semicircle.
If you look at the 'Surname' writable icon for example and click on
the 1.5mm high input field you will see that the RISCOS text cursor is
about three times the height of the input field.
If you did have an account and got past that step, you would
eventually find yourself looking at what should be a column of radio
buttons - when making a payment, say - which are all invisible except for
what looks like a single black pixel in the topmost (default) button
position - this makes these quite difficult to find.
This has not changed for me for a very long time - I just do internet
banking 'by grope'!!! r3811 is no different to the one I continue to use
(15 Jul last year) - since I cannot get links from svg images (ie 'a'
elements) to work in the latest version - which 'sort of' renders about
half of svg mark-up.
By the way, thinking back to that log-in document you will probaboly
realise that there is something wrong with the field width too since the
Membership number needs to hold twelve digits and even at the current
visible size looks no wider than about seven!
So far I have no complaint - I know that there are lots of things to
do - but if you have got round to looking at the input field minimum size
problem I would be grateful when it is fixed. Please keep up the good work.
Keith
--
Inspired!
6:55 p.m.
New subject: Online banking with NetSurf
In article <4f6b01d44basgard(a)inspire.net.nz>,
Keith Hopper <asgard(a)inspire.net.nz> wrote:
In article <4f6a912557tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> Please try the latest test build and report back. (I don't
have a
> Barklays account.)
You don't actually need an account to see what is wrong, just
enter
http://www.ibank.barclays.co.uk/
and, when that loads, click on the login button at the top of the button
semicircle.
The login page looks fine here.
r3811 is no different
That is not the latest build. r3813 had the change which might have fixed
it.
The latest build is currently r3822.
http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/testbuilds
Best regards,
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
4:04 p.m.
New subject: Online banking with NetSurf
In article <4f6b140c8dtlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <4f6b01d44basgard(a)inspire.net.nz>,
Keith Hopper <asgard(a)inspire.net.nz> wrote:
> In article <4f6a912557tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
> Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> > Please try the latest test build and report back. (I
don't have a
> > Barklays account.)
> You don't actually need an account to see what is wrong,
just enter
> http://www.ibank.barclays.co.uk/
> and, when that loads, click on the login button at the top of the button
> semicircle.
The login page looks fine here.
> r3811 is no different
That is not the latest build. r3813 had the change which might have
fixed
it.
The latest build is currently r3822.
http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/testbuilds
Ah! Sorry I was one behind. I have just tried with r3838 and this, as
you say lookd fine now. Mya apologies - and many thanks
Keith
--
Inspired!
4:57 p.m.
New subject: Online banking with NetSurf
In message <4f6a912557tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <433893604f.davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com>,
Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> I've just used NetSurf with Barclays Bank to set up a payment.
> The writable fields are much too small. They won't display
> even half the height of a character.
Please try the latest test build and report back. (I don't have a Barklays
account.)
Yes, that seems to work nicely, thank you, in that all the fields
are high enough to render the text that goes into them.
There is another funny, though, but I can't remember whether it's
new with this version. The pull-down lists all appear to be the
same width now. The Barclays site uses two fields, each one
character wide, with a 26-item pull-down list of single letters
that one has to use to fill in letters from the "memorable word".
There are also items that contain account names/numbers, both to
select the account to work on, and to select previous payees. It
looks as if all these items are now the same width. The single-
character ones look rather empty of course, and the account names
and numbers wrap onto three lines.
As I say, I don't remember whether this is a new problem - but I
could also say that I don't remember it being a problem before.
Anyway, it works now, and all items are visible, so I repeat my
thanks to the team!
Dave
1:07 p.m.
New subject: Online banking with NetSurf
In article <7935096b4f.davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com>,
Dave Higton <davehigton(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
In message <4f6a912557tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> Please try the latest test build and report back. (I don't
have a
> Barklays account.)
Yes, that seems to work nicely, thank you, in that all the fields
are high enough to render the text that goes into them.
There is another funny, though, but I can't remember whether
it's
new with this version. The pull-down lists all appear to be the
same width now. The Barclays site uses two fields, each one
character wide, with a 26-item pull-down list of single letters
that one has to use to fill in letters from the "memorable word".
There are also items that contain account names/numbers, both to
select the account to work on, and to select previous payees. It
looks as if all these items are now the same width. The single-
character ones look rather empty of course, and the account names
and numbers wrap onto three lines.
Can you try with the latest build? (r3855 or later.) The select element
should now take the width of the longest option text, which should fix the
letter selection. I'm not sure what would cause the account names to wrap,
but it might fix that too.
Best regards,
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
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