1:08 p.m.
I've just filed this bug report:
[quote]
This is with RISC OS 5.16 and NetSurf test build r10731.
Page http://www.rickstein.com/Steins-Fish-and-Chips.html loaded;
hourglass activity, sometimes the main animated one and sometimes the
NetSurf small one, seems to be continuous. Click on "Sample eat-in
menu". Nothing happens apart from more hourglass, till I get
impatient. Can't now quit NetSurf except with alt-break.
[unquote]
The 11MB logfile zips to 377K, which is too big to upload.
I think this must be due to bad site design (it works OK with Windows
Firefox), but is it worth sending this logfile to one of the
developers?
TIA,
With best wishes,
Peter.
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4:43 a.m.
On 7 Sep, Dr Peter Young wrote:
Something on that page is fooling NS (r10731 here) in to thinking it
is loading several million out of 25 objects. It also steals every
last byte of RAM.
However, if you press the stop button it will stop trying to load the
page, and you can then shift-click on the sample menu (PDF) to
download it.
You'll then need to quit NS to get your memory back.
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ten minutes...
5:17 a.m.
On 8 Sep 2010 Brian Howlett <brian.groups(a)brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
On 7 Sep, Dr Peter Young wrote:
Something on that page is fooling NS (r10731 here) in to thinking it
is loading several million out of 25 objects. It also steals every
last byte of RAM.
Thanks; I thought it must be something odd about the page, and it's
good to have this confirmed by someone who understands these things. I
imagine that the bug report and logfile are irrelevant, then. I hadn't
noticed the vanishing memory, but that indeed does happen.
However, if you press the stop button it will stop trying to load
the
page,
So it does!
and you can then shift-click on the sample menu (PDF) to download it.
So you can! Thanks. However, Windows Firefox makes it easier, alas.
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Anne \/ __ __ \ England.
and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk
7:45 a.m.
On 7 Sep 2010 Dr Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
I've just filed this bug report:
[quote]
This is with RISC OS 5.16 and NetSurf test build r10731.
Page http://www.rickstein.com/Steins-Fish-and-Chips.html loaded;
hourglass activity, sometimes the main animated one and sometimes the
NetSurf small one, seems to be continuous. Click on "Sample eat-in
menu". Nothing happens apart from more hourglass, till I get
impatient. Can't now quit NetSurf except with alt-break.
[unquote]
The 11MB logfile zips to 377K, which is too big to upload.
I think this must be due to bad site design (it works OK with
Windows
Firefox), but is it worth sending this logfile to one of the
developers?
Now fixed. Many thanks, John-Mark.
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52
Anne \/ __ __ \ England.
and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk
10:56 a.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
My hotlist reflects my wool-gathering mind. Too many bits and pieces!
I would like to be able to search through it in the same wasy as I can
in any other directory.
Michael Bell
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2:51 p.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
In article <b285545b51.michaelbell(a)michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
Michael Bell <michael(a)beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
My hotlist reflects my wool-gathering mind. Too many bits and pieces!
I would like to be able to search through it in the same wasy as I can
in any other directory.
It's been on the feature requests list for a long time. Currently we're
quite close to moving the old RISC OS hotlist handling code to the core.
Once that's done there's a much better chance someone will work on it
again (since there is a far larger pool of developers).
In the mean time the best thing you can do is visit (assuming RISC OS):
file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/Hotlist
And search from within the browser window (F4).
Best regards,
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
4:17 p.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
On 23 Sep 2010 Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <b285545b51.michaelbell(a)michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
Michael Bell <michael(a)beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> My hotlist reflects my wool-gathering mind. Too many bits and pieces!
> I would like to be able to search through it in the same wasy as I can
> in any other directory.
It's been on the feature requests list for a long time.
Currently we're
quite close to moving the old RISC OS hotlist handling code to the core.
Once that's done there's a much better chance someone will work on it
again (since there is a far larger pool of developers).
In the mean time the best thing you can do is visit (assuming RISC
OS):
file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/Hotlist
And search from within the browser window (F4).
Or, even more easily, again assuming RISC OS, and without having to
remember a URL:
Open the hotlist. Over this, Menu > Hotlist > Export, and drag the
resulting HTML file to NetSurf on the icon bar. Again, searchable from
the browser window. Helps those, like me also, who also go
wool-gathering.
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52
Anne \/ __ __ \ England.
and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk
8:47 a.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
Dr Peter Young wrote on 23 Sep:
On 23 Sep 2010 Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
...
> file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/Hotlist
> And search from within the browser window (F4).
Or, even more easily, again assuming RISC OS, and without having to
remember a URL: ...
or you could simply put THAT at the top of your hotlist!
--
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> before emailing large files (>1Mb), please ask me for FTP
details
see you at London Acorn show? -- Oct 23 -- www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk
9:21 a.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
In message <198acc5b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>
Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
Dr Peter Young wrote on 23 Sep:
> On 23 Sep 2010 Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>
wrote:
...
>> file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/Hotlist
>> And search from within the browser window (F4).
> Or, even more easily, again assuming RISC OS, and without having
to
> remember a URL: ...
or you could simply put THAT at the top of your hotlist!
Sorry, too clever for me. What exactly should I do?
Michael Bell
--
4:34 p.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
>> On 23 Sep 2010 Michael Drake
<tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> ...
>>> file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/Hotlist
>>> And search from within the browser window (F4).
> Dr Peter Young wrote on 23 Sep:
>> Or, ... without having to remember a URL: [... another method]
Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> or you could simply put THAT at the top of your hotlist!
Michael Bell wrote on 24 Sep:
Sorry, too clever for me. What exactly should I do?
click on the link that Michael Drake gave. that will open your
hotlist file in a browser window.
then Adjust-click on the "flame" button at the top of the window.
that will add Michael's link to the bottom of your hotlist. (which is
the same way as you add anything else to the hotlist.)
now, given its purpose, this item would be handier at the TOP of your
hotlist, so:
open the hotlist in the usual way (F6 over a browser window or use
the iconbar menu).
Adjust-drag the new item ("Netsurf hotlist") up to the top of the
list. (sounds like you have a long list, so you might have to move it
up by a windowful at a time -- would help to maximize the hotlist
window.)
now you can just click that "Netsurf hotlist" item at the top of your
hotlist: your hotlist opens in the form of a browser window, which
you can search. QED.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
> before emailing large files (>1Mb), please ask me for FTP
details
see you at London Acorn show? -- Oct 23 -- www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk
5:12 p.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
In article <fb5af75b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>,
Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
Wots all this? E-mail is a text-only medium. If you want to use this crap,
make it an attachment!
Best wishes,
John
6:08 p.m.
New subject: I would like / bulletpoint
John Williams wrote on 24 Sep:
In article <fb5af75b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>,
Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
>
Wots all this? E-mail is a text-only medium. If you want to use this
crap,
make it an attachment!
it's only a bullet, character 143. MPro displays it OK, but i see
you're using Pluto, which apparently doesn't.
what does Pluto do with French characters such as é and É and ç?
(characters 233, 201, 231 respectively = &E9, &C9, &E7)
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
> before emailing large files (>1Mb), please ask me for FTP
details
see you at London Acorn show? -- Oct 23 -- www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk
2:05 a.m.
New subject: I would like / bulletpoint
In article <96e6ff5b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>,
Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
what does Pluto do with French characters such as é and É and ç?
(characters 233, 201, 231 respectively = &E9, &C9, &E7)
Displays them correctly if set to 8-bit, but doesn't display these other
non-ASCII characters which, like the pound sign, should not be used in
e-mails for fear of upsetting elderly gentlemen like me with a tendency to
pedantry, or confusing others.
You'll be using "smart" quotes next!
I use a system font to display in Pluto, as is my right.
^^^^^^
It does not have 'bullet points'. If I did use a proportional font, I
would lose all the ASCII artwork and any emphasis or pointing using the '^'
character would be misaligned. But there is no guarantee it would have
'bullet points' in the same place yours does, or even at all.
'Ah', I hear you cry, 'but the system font is so awful to look at!'.
Not if you use a variant such as is available from:
http://irene.williams.free.fr/software/
- second item.
So you can't blame Pluto, even if you were pre-disposed to do so.
Of course, it's much more complicated than I've outlined, but to be sure,
only use ASCII plain text, or, if you need to, set to eight bit and add in
the standard accented characters. But go further than that and you will
lose some people who will see strange characters amongst your text.
I wish Help file writers would realise this! I once wrote a little program
to strip these rogue characters from otherwise plain text Help files. I
would then resave the files to avoid the problem next time!
John
2:54 a.m.
New subject: I would like / bulletpoint
In article <515c2b9cc8JohnRW(a)ukgateway.net>, John Williams
<JohnRW(a)ukgateway.net> wrote:
In article <96e6ff5b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
<netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> what does Pluto do with French characters such as é and É and
ç?
> (characters 233, 201, 231 respectively = &E9, &C9, &E7)
Displays them correctly if set to 8-bit, but doesn't display
these
other non-ASCII characters which, like the pound sign, should not be
used in e-mails for fear of upsetting elderly gentlemen like me with
a tendency to pedantry, or confusing others.
and perhaps a high irascibility quotient..
If you use the Corpus Mono Spaced font you get the 'Bullet point' and
still get the ASCII artwork.
--
Barry A.
'Don't stop doing things because you're getting old,
otherwise you'll get old because you stop doing things!'
2:54 a.m.
New subject: I would like / bulletpoint
John Williams wrote:
In article <96e6ff5b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>,
Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> what does Pluto do with French characters such as é and É and ç?
> (characters 233, 201, 231 respectively = &E9, &C9, &E7)
Displays them correctly if set to 8-bit, but doesn't display these other
non-ASCII characters which, like the pound sign, should not be used in
e-mails for fear of upsetting elderly gentlemen like me with a tendency to
pedantry, or confusing others.
You'll be using "smart" quotes next!
I use a system font to display in Pluto, as is my right.
^^^^^^
It does not have 'bullet points'.
Strange, the system font I supplied with this M/C has a full set of characters
including bullet points, pound sign etc. I use it by default, it may not be
pretty by is clear.
--
Erving
3:18 a.m.
New subject: I would like / bulletpoint
In article <f41b305c51.kbarter(a)orpheusnet.co.uk>,
Erving <erving(a)riscos.org> wrote:
Strange, the system font I supplied with this M/C has a full set of
characters including bullet points, pound sign etc. I use it by default,
it may not be pretty by is clear.
But so does mine - just not where jim has his bullet point.
Mine is The System Font, not 'a system font'. But we must stop this here,
as it's off topic for this list.
John
3:13 a.m.
New subject: I would like / bulletpoint
John Williams wrote:
In article <96e6ff5b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>,
Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> what does Pluto do with French characters such as é and É and ç?
> (characters 233, 201, 231 respectively = &E9, &C9, &E7)
Displays them correctly if set to 8-bit, but doesn't display these other
non-ASCII characters which, like the pound sign, should not be used in
e-mails for fear of upsetting elderly gentlemen like me with a tendency to
pedantry, or confusing others.
You'll be using "smart" quotes next!
I use a system font to display in Pluto, as is my right.
^^^^^^
It does not have 'bullet points'.
Strange, the system font supplied with this M/C has a full set of characters
including bullet points, pound sign etc. I use it by default, it may not be
pretty by is clear and unambiguous (no confusion between 1 and I or L etc)
--
Erving
3:41 a.m.
New subject: I would like / bulletpoint
In article <96e6ff5b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
<netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
>>
> Wots all this? E-mail is a text-only medium. If you want to use
this
> crap, make it an attachment!
it's only a bullet, character 143. MPro displays it OK, but i
see
you're using Pluto, which apparently doesn't.
Pluto displayed it correctly here.
--
David Wild using RISC OS on broadband
www.davidhwild.me.uk
5:14 p.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
On 24 Sep 2010, Jim Nagel <netsurf(a)abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
Adjust-drag the new item ("Netsurf hotlist") up to the
top of the
list. (sounds like you have a long list, so you might have to move it
up by a windowful at a time
The window auto-scrolls, if you hold the drag near to the top or bottom.
Tony
3:06 p.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
In article <fb5af75b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
[snip]
* click on the link that Michael Drake gave. that will open your
hotlist file in a browser window.
* then Adjust-click on the "flame" button at the top of the
window.
that will add Michael's link to the bottom of your hotlist.
(which is the same way as you add anything else to the hotlist.)
now, given its purpose, this item would be handier at the TOP of
your hotlist, so:
* open the hotlist in the usual way (F6 over a browser window or
use the iconbar menu).
* Adjust-drag the new item ("Netsurf hotlist") up to the
top of the
list. (sounds like you have a long list, so you might have to
move it up by a windowful at a time -- would help to maximize the
hotlist window.)
now you can just click that "Netsurf hotlist" item at the
top of
your hotlist: your hotlist opens in the form of a browser window,
which you can search. QED.
Excellent explanation - thanks
Richard
3:49 p.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
In message <515c7321aeriscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
In article <fb5af75b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
[snip]
> * click on the link that Michael Drake gave. that will open
your
> hotlist file in a browser window.
> * then Adjust-click on the "flame" button at the top of
the window.
> that will add Michael's link to the bottom of your hotlist.
> (which is the same way as you add anything else to the hotlist.)
> now, given its purpose, this item would be handier at the TOP of
> your hotlist, so:
> * open the hotlist in the usual way (F6 over a browser window or
> use the iconbar menu).
> * Adjust-drag the new item ("Netsurf hotlist") up to
the top of the
> list. (sounds like you have a long list, so you might have to
> move it up by a windowful at a time -- would help to maximize the
> hotlist window.)
> now you can just click that "Netsurf hotlist" item at
the top of
> your hotlist: your hotlist opens in the form of a browser window,
> which you can search. QED.
Excellent explanation - thanks
Richard
Yes, it works for me too. Now that I've got round to it.
Michael Bell
--
9:38 a.m.
New subject: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
In a mad moment - Michael Bell mumbled :
In message <515c7321aeriscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <fb5af75b51.jim(a)nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
> [snip]
>> * Adjust-drag the new item ("Netsurf hotlist") up
to the top of the
>> list. (sounds like you have a long list, so you might have to
>> move it up by a windowful at a time -- would help to maximize the
>> hotlist window.)
>> now you can just click that "Netsurf hotlist" item
at the top of
>> your hotlist: your hotlist opens in the form of a browser window,
>> which you can search. QED.
> Excellent explanation - thanks
> Richard
Yes, it works for me too. Now that I've got round to it.
Another way, if you feel up to it, is to make your own browser
Home Page containing several regularly accessed sites, and include
links to the location of any hotlist(s) of browsers on your machine.
I also use a copy of this personal Home Page on my EEE PC.
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