5:43 a.m.
On usenet JMB wrote:
Note also that there's very little focus on gracefully handling
invalid HTML in NetSurf at present - there's enough work
to do to get it to render valid sites correctly.
If practical (ie depending on what approach you take) when this is
addressed, could I request that the graceful handling be able to be
switched on and off?
The reasons being:
1. If I'm designing a site (and I now use NS as the primary program to
view it) and I make a stupid mistake, it is nice if the browser doesn't
hide it for me.
2. Would it slow down the rendering of good sites?
Thanks
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6:32 a.m.
New subject: [Netsurf-develop] Re: A request
Jess Hampshire wrote:
1. If I'm designing a site (and I now use NS as the primary
program
to view it) and I make a stupid mistake, it is nice if the browser
doesn't hide it for me.
In that case, I suggest you use Peter Naulls' port of Dillo. It
directly shows you the errors on that page. No match for NetSurf
concerning the rest, but when testing my pages I regularly use Dillo
for that particular reason.
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7:17 a.m.
New subject: [Netsurf-develop] Re: A request
In message <4d261a92aasbellon(a)sbellon.de>
Stefan Bellon <sbellon(a)sbellon.de> wrote:
Jess Hampshire wrote:
> 1. If I'm designing a site (and I now use NS as the primary program
> to view it) and I make a stupid mistake, it is nice if the browser
> doesn't hide it for me.
In that case, I suggest you use Peter Naulls' port of Dillo. It
directly shows you the errors on that page. No match for NetSurf
concerning the rest, but when testing my pages I regularly use Dillo
for that particular reason.
A thought, but I generally html check my work regularly, it's just to
catch the odd time I don't, but if my second point (speed) doesn't
apply then it's probably not worth the bother
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7:13 a.m.
In article <2c0f16264d.jess(a)itworkshop.invalid>,
Jess Hampshire <jess(a)itworkshop.uklinux.net> wrote:
On usenet JMB wrote:
> Note also that there's very little focus on gracefully
handling
> invalid HTML in NetSurf at present - there's enough work
> to do to get it to render valid sites correctly.
If practical (ie depending on what approach you take) when this is
addressed, could I request that the graceful handling be able to be
switched on and off?
The reasons being:
1. If I'm designing a site (and I now use NS as the primary
program to
view it) and I make a stupid mistake, it is nice if the browser doesn't
hide it for me.
2. Would it slow down the rendering of good sites?
I would like to go a little further and enquire whether the apparent
use of an xml parser could not make available parsing errors (if any) as
either a simple list called up from a menu or as an optional use of
throwback?
Incidentally, one of the reasons I use other browsers for a
disappointingly large proportion of the time is that, despite the fact that
Netsurf obviously understands processing instruction syntax, it quietly
ignores those for the 'xml-stylesheet' engine - when, particularly if the
type is text/css, it could use them. I keep coming across more and more
documents using these rather than html 'link' elements - probably generated
server-side from some original xml document of some kind.
Keith
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10:08 a.m.
In message <4d261e54a2kh(a)waikato.ac.nz>
Keith Hopper <kh(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote:
I would like to go a little further and enquire whether the
apparent
use of an xml parser could not make available parsing errors (if any) as
either a simple list called up from a menu or as an optional use of
throwback?
Yes, doing something like this is already on my list of ideas :).
Incidentally, one of the reasons I use other browsers for a
disappointingly large proportion of the time is that, despite the fact that
Netsurf obviously understands processing instruction syntax, it quietly
ignores those for the 'xml-stylesheet' engine - when, particularly if the
type is text/css, it could use them. I keep coming across more and more
documents using these rather than html 'link' elements - probably generated
server-side from some original xml document of some kind.
Are these documents served as text/html? Which browsers?
By the way, I still haven't received a response from you regarding your
problems using NetSurf through an authenticating cache (see
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.netsurf.devel/2471>).
Thanks!
James
2:59 p.m.
In article <170536274d.james(a)ix.strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk>,
James Bursa <james(a)semichrome.net> wrote:
In message <4d261e54a2kh(a)waikato.ac.nz>
Keith Hopper <kh(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote:
[snip]
> Incidentally, one of the reasons I use other browsers for
a
> disappointingly large proportion of the time is that, despite the fact that
> Netsurf obviously understands processing instruction syntax, it quietly
> ignores those for the 'xml-stylesheet' engine - when, particularly if the
> type is text/css, it could use them. I keep coming across more and more
> documents using these rather than html 'link' elements - probably generated
> server-side from some original xml document of some kind.
Are these documents served as text/html?
Well! They are in files with either xhtml or html 'extensions' but I
don't know what they are being served as
Which browsers?
Firefox 1.0, Amaya 8.7 and Opera7.53
By the way, I still haven't received a response from you
regarding your
problems using NetSurf through an authenticating cache (see
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.netsurf.devel/2471>).
Err! No! I never keep mail once sent more than a few days and am
temporarily embarrassed in not having an internet connection to look up
what you referred to on the only nachine at the moment on which I can
receive e-mail (at work I need secure IMAP or, if I ask nicely, they might
permit secure aPOP - and the software to do this has got caught in the
Christmas rush!!). Don't please talk about e-mail on linux - I can just
about use the command line mail program - everything more recent just won't
do what I want it to do - and let me be in control!
Mind you, the problem still exists!
Thanks for your concern.
Keith
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8:01 a.m.
In message <4d2858487akh(a)waikato.ac.nz>
Keith Hopper <kh(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote:
In article <170536274d.james(a)ix.strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk>,
James Bursa <james(a)semichrome.net> wrote:
> In message <4d261e54a2kh(a)waikato.ac.nz>
> Keith Hopper <kh(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote:
[snip]
> > Incidentally, one of the reasons I use other browsers for a
> > disappointingly large proportion of the time is that, despite the fact that
> > Netsurf obviously understands processing instruction syntax, it quietly
> > ignores those for the 'xml-stylesheet' engine - when, particularly if
the
> > type is text/css, it could use them. I keep coming across more and more
> > documents using these rather than html 'link' elements - probably
generated
> > server-side from some original xml document of some kind.
> Are these documents served as text/html?
Well! They are in files with either xhtml or html 'extensions' but I
don't know what they are being served as
Do you have some public URLs we could look at? We probably won't implement
this until we have native XHTML support however (ie. support for the
application/xhtml+xml or application/xml MIME types). I don't think it makes
any sense to process xml-stylesheet directives in pages served as text/html.
James
8:24 a.m.
In article <45dacc2b4d.james(a)ix.strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk>,
James Bursa <james(a)semichrome.net> wrote:
[snip]
Do you have some public URLs we could look at? We probably won't
implement
this until we have native XHTML support however (ie. support for the
application/xhtml+xml or application/xml MIME types). I don't think it makes
any sense to process xml-stylesheet directives in pages served as text/html.
I can appreciate your thinking. There are several chains of documents
here at Waikato now using xml - but you can look at one I wrote - starting
with -
http://cs.waikato.ac.nz/Teaching/COMP333A/index.xml
Yes! I know it says 'xml' but the idot who wrote the server CGI stuff
wrote in PHP using short tags for html, shtml and shtml - so the use of the
xml 'extension' is a work around - for two years now!
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