9:04 a.m.
Hi All,
I have Virtual Acorn on my Mac G5 running OS 10.5.8. The RISC OS in VA is 4.39.
Netsurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck with any of the later
development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833 with the same result.
The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the internet. The
message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000 milliseconds." The settings
are
the same ones that 2.9 is using, so I am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got
a fix for this?
The development versions all run well on my Risc PC under OS 3.5. So the
problem seems to be specific to VA and the development versions on the Mac.
Regards, Alan
5:26 p.m.
On 26 Jan at 1:04, "Alan & Sally" <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Hi All,
I have Virtual Acorn on my Mac G5 running OS 10.5.8. The RISC OS in VA
is 4.39.
Netsurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck with any
of the later development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833
with the same result.
The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the
internet. The message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000
milliseconds." The settings are the same ones that 2.9 is using, so I
am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got a fix for this?
The development versions all run well on my Risc PC under OS 3.5. So
the problem seems to be specific to VA and the development versions on
the Mac.
I have the same problem with RISC OS 6.2 on a Mac OS 10.8.2. My guess
is that the modules are not up to date but I have yet to look into it.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim(a)powys.org
for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
8:40 p.m.
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 09:26:25AM +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
On 26 Jan at 1:04, "Alan & Sally"
<jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the
> internet. The message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000
> milliseconds." The settings are the same ones that 2.9 is using, so I
> am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got a fix for this?
I have the same problem with RISC OS 6.2 on a Mac OS 10.8.2. My guess
is that the modules are not up to date but I have yet to look into it.
I seem to recall that at least at some point that there was an issue
with VARPC configuring networking correctly, specifically the resolver.
NetSurf reads the resolver configuration at start up and uses its own
internal DNS code rather than using the OS's provided one. If VA does
not set this variable promptly enough (or it gets unset somehow) then
NetSurf may struggle to resolve.
Are you launching NetSurf at boot? If so, try launching it after boot?
I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to ask
you to see what they're set to, sorry.
B.
9 p.m.
In article <20130126124046.GA4257(a)pepperfish.net>,
Rob Kendrick <rjek(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to
ask
you to see what they're set to, sorry.
*show inet$resolvers
Should give a space-separated list of IP addresses for DNS.
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
11:58 p.m.
Michael Drake, on 26 Jan, wrote:
In article <20130126124046.GA4257(a)pepperfish.net>,
Rob Kendrick <rjek(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to ask
> you to see what they're set to, sorry.
*show inet$resolvers
Should give a space-separated list of IP addresses for DNS.
Tested with NetSurf Dev #833
VRPC OS4.39 on Windows 8 - Inet$Resolvers : 10.0.1.1
All OK.
VRPC OS4.39 on Mac 10.8.2 - Inet$Resolvers : 127.0.0.1
NetSurf 2.9 resolves perfectly but NetSurf 3.0 times out.
(I tried manually setting Inet$Resolvers to 10.0.1.1 but it did not help.)
--
David Pitt
4:53 p.m.
I have saved logs from a successful fetch with NetSurf 2.9 and a timeout
from NetSurf 3.0 #833. The full logs are at :-
http://pittdj.co.uk/temp/NSlogs.zip
The interesting bits are :-
NetSurf 3 #833 on Mac OS 10.8.2 - timed out
(3.240000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 855: bw 0x25baa658, url
http://www.google.co.uk/
(3.240000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 976: Loading
'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(3.240000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_setup 366: fetch 0x25bd8120,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(33.250000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_done 843: done
http://www.google.co.uk/
(33.250000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_done 880: Unknown cURL
response code 28
(33.250000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_stop 725: fetch 0x25bd8120,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(33.260000) riscos/gui.c warn_user 2339: Resolving timed out after 30000
milliseconds (null)
NetSurf 2.90 on Mac OS 10.8.2 - successful
(2.990000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 832: bw 0x25ba6948, url
http://www.google.co.uk/
(2.990000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 953: Loading
'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(2.990000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_setup 365: fetch 0x25b99e08,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(3.200000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_process_headers 1171: HTTP
status code 200
(3.200000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_done 813: done
http://www.google.co.uk/
(3.200000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_stop 695: fetch 0x25b99e08,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'
--
David Pitt
9:58 a.m.
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:53:12 +1300, David Pitt <pittdj(a)pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
I have saved logs from a successful fetch with NetSurf 2.9 and a
timeout
from NetSurf 3.0 #833. The full logs are at :-
http://pittdj.co.uk/temp/NSlogs.zip
The interesting bits are :-
NetSurf 3 #833 on Mac OS 10.8.2 - timed out
[ ]
NetSurf 2.90 on Mac OS 10.8.2 - successful
[ ]
I have two problems with Netsurf.
1. Build #1013 will not connect to the internet. Still need to use 2.9. I have VARPC
on my Mac G5 PPC OS 10.5.8.
2. On my Risc PC running 3.5 the NetSurf icon disappears with all versions I've tried
since #734. When loaded there is a blank space on the icon bar. I can click on it
and NetSurf appears and runs normally. The icon appears in the directory viewer
immediately after download but disappears from the viewer leaving only the name
once the programme is loaded.
Iem 1. was the subject of some discussion in January but I haven't been aware of a
fix. I haven't seen any comment on item 2.
Cheers, Alan in N.Z.
6:18 p.m.
In article <op.wuqk4kifif396l@alansall>,
Alan & Sally <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
2. On my Risc PC running 3.5 the NetSurf icon disappears with all
versions I've tried since #734. When loaded there is a blank space on
the icon bar. I can click on it and NetSurf appears and runs normally.
The icon appears in the directory viewer immediately after download but
disappears from the viewer leaving only the name once the programme is
loaded.
Sounds like something went wrong here:
http://source.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/commit/!NetSurf?id=a6b117fc...
I think the answer is probably to simply remove the ASprites.
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
10:34 p.m.
On Sat, 2013-03-30 at 10:18 +0000, Michael Drake wrote:
In article <op.wuqk4kifif396l@alansall>,
Alan & Sally <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> 2. On my Risc PC running 3.5 the NetSurf icon disappears with all
> versions I've tried since #734. When loaded there is a blank space on
> the icon bar. I can click on it and NetSurf appears and runs normally.
> The icon appears in the directory viewer immediately after download but
> disappears from the viewer leaving only the name once the programme is
> loaded.
Sounds like something went wrong here:
http://source.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/commit/!NetSurf?id=a6b117fc...
I think the answer is probably to simply remove the ASprites.
Or just ensure that a sufficiently modern SpriteExtend[1] is present,
which is what I've done. However, it's worth reiterating that the
earliest version of RISC OS we actually support is 4.02, so anyone
running anything earlier is running the risk of things breaking.
J.
1. Version 0.99, as found in RISC OS 3.60, which is rapidly approaching
its 18th birthday. Seriously, people, upgrade your OS or don't
expect modern software to run on it.
11:27 a.m.
New subject: Updating SpriteExtend
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 03:34:57 +1300, John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Sat, 2013-03-30 at 10:18 +0000, Michael Drake wrote:
> In article <op.wuqk4kifif396l@alansall>,
> Alan & Sally <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > 2. On my Risc PC running 3.5 the NetSurf icon disappears with all
> > versions I've tried since #734. When loaded there is a blank space on
> > the icon bar. I can click on it and NetSurf appears and runs normally.
> > The icon appears in the directory viewer immediately after download but
> > disappears from the viewer leaving only the name once the programme is
> > loaded.
>
> Sounds like something went wrong here:
>
>
http://source.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/commit/!NetSurf?id=a6b117fc...
>
> I think the answer is probably to simply remove the ASprites.
Or just ensure that a sufficiently modern SpriteExtend[1] is present,
which is what I've done. However, it's worth reiterating that the
earliest version of RISC OS we actually support is 4.02, so anyone
running anything earlier is running the risk of things breaking.
J.
1. Version 0.99, as found in RISC OS 3.60, which is rapidly approaching
its 18th birthday. Seriously, people, upgrade your OS or don't
expect modern software to run on it.
Many thanks. John and Michael. Removing ASprites files did not help but upgrading
SpriteExtend from 0.61 (in the 3.5 ROM) to 0.99 has fixed the problem.
I have been aware that 3.5 is no longer supported but I must say I have been
pleasantly surprised at how well NetSurf has run. Ever since discovering
NetSurf I have only had to update two or three modules.
Alan in N.Z.
2:05 a.m.
On 26 Jan at 13:00, Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <20130126124046.GA4257(a)pepperfish.net>,
Rob Kendrick <rjek(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to
> ask you to see what they're set to, sorry.
*show inet$resolvers
Should give a space-separated list of IP addresses for DNS.
I get only:
Inet$Resolvers : 127.0.0.1
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim(a)powys.org
for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
2:03 a.m.
On 26 Jan at 12:40, Rob Kendrick <rjek(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 09:26:25AM +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> On 26 Jan at 1:04, "Alan & Sally" <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the
> > internet. The message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000
> > milliseconds." The settings are the same ones that 2.9 is using,
> > so I am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got a fix for this?
>
> I have the same problem with RISC OS 6.2 on a Mac OS 10.8.2. My
> guess is that the modules are not up to date but I have yet to look
> into it.
I seem to recall that at least at some point that there was an issue
with VARPC configuring networking correctly, specifically the
resolver. NetSurf reads the resolver configuration at start up and
uses its own internal DNS code rather than using the OS's provided
one. If VA does not set this variable promptly enough (or it gets
unset somehow) then NetSurf may struggle to resolve.
Are you launching NetSurf at boot? If so, try launching it after
boot?
I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to ask
you to see what they're set to, sorry.
I have disabled Netsurf from being Run at Boot time, then rebooted
VARPC. I then had to revert to version 2.09 of Fetch_NS to avoid
problems with the Download directory. Then I downloaded 833, extracted
and ran it but it still gave the same error about timing out after 3000
millisecs.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim(a)powys.org
for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
6:32 p.m.
In article <op.wrhukyovif396l@alansall>,
Alan & Sally <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
NetSurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck with
any
of the later development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833
with the same result.
It seems that since NetSurf 2.9 DNS doesn't work when running on
VirtualRPC. It works on real hardware and, I believe, on RPCEmu (can
anyone confirm?).
None of the NetSurf developers have VirtualRPC so we aren't in a position
to investigate this. Perhaps you could contact the VirtualRPC developers,
if it's still being maintained?
Cheers,
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
7:15 p.m.
In message <533d3d5a8btlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <op.wrhukyovif396l@alansall>,
Alan & Sally <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> NetSurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck
with any
> of the later development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833
> with the same result.
It seems that since NetSurf 2.9 DNS doesn't work when running on
VirtualRPC. It works on real hardware and, I believe, on RPCEmu (can
anyone confirm?).
None of the NetSurf developers have VirtualRPC so we aren't in a
position
to investigate this. Perhaps you could contact the VirtualRPC developers,
if it's still being maintained?
FWIW I have run a great number of development versions of NetSurf
(currently 3.0 (Dev CI #1054)) on this VA - details in sig. I have had
no problems connecting to the Internet at all. I note the OP is using
VA on a Mac, perhaps this is relevant?
--
Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8
RISC OS 6.20
7:17 p.m.
Michael Drake, on 16 Apr, wrote:
In article <op.wrhukyovif396l@alansall>,
Alan & Sally <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> NetSurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck with any
> of the later development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833
> with the same result.
It seems that since NetSurf 2.9 DNS doesn't work when running on
VirtualRPC. It works on real hardware and, I believe, on RPCEmu (can
anyone confirm?).
I can confirm that the current NetSurf 3.0 test builds do resolve on RPCEmu
v0.8.9 on Mac OS X 10.8.3.
The i686-darwin10 builds also resolve running natively on the Mac.
(This conflict with VirtualRPC only applies to VRPC on the Mac, the NetSurf
3.0 test builds are fine with VirtualRPC on Windows 7.)
None of the NetSurf developers have VirtualRPC so we aren't in a position
to investigate this. Perhaps you could contact the VirtualRPC developers,
if it's still being maintained?
Cheers,
--
David Pitt
7:54 p.m.
In article <mpro.mlci0m00alw3701n5.pittdj(a)pittdj.co.uk>,
David Pitt <pittdj(a)pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
I can confirm that the current NetSurf 3.0 test builds do resolve on
RPCEmu v0.8.9 on Mac OS X 10.8.3.
The i686-darwin10 builds also resolve running natively on the Mac.
(This conflict with VirtualRPC only applies to VRPC on the Mac, the
NetSurf 3.0 test builds are fine with VirtualRPC on Windows 7.)
Thanks for that info. So it's a problem with VirtualRPC on the Mac only.
Cheers,
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
10:05 p.m.
In message <533d3d5a8btlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> Michael Drake wrote:
In article <op.wrhukyovif396l@alansall>,
Alan & Sally <jared.r(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> NetSurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck
with any
> of the later development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833
> with the same result.
It seems that since NetSurf 2.9 DNS doesn't work when running on
VirtualRPC. It works on real hardware and, I believe, on RPCEmu (can
anyone confirm?).
I use recent dev builds on VRPC-SA and VRPC-SE and DNS
is fine. The only issue I have is that when I connect to
the company VPN (Cisco software) the DNS breaks and
nothing will resolve. As soon as I disconnect the VPN it
works again.
When NS DNS lookups fail, the Windows7 apps like Firefox
seem to do DNS lookups OK. Since the resolver addresses
are as far as I can see identical in both Windows side
and RISC OS I don't know how it breaks. Other networking
such as connection to mail server and NFS mounts all
continue working and its only DNS that seems to be broken.
None of the NetSurf developers have VirtualRPC so we aren't in a
position
to investigate this. Perhaps you could contact the VirtualRPC developers,
if it's still being maintained?
If you want to try anything, pass it my way. I'm using
VRPC and NS all day every day at home and at work.
Mike
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