1:09 p.m.
Has any progress be made with NetSurf's printing on RISC OS 5? The
current release has the same help instructions as previous issues
about lack of Font Manager and printer drivers support - there is a
comment about a patch for non-Postscript printers that has been
submitted to RISC OS Open Ltd.
2:44 p.m.
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:09:52 +0100, Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:
Has any progress be made with NetSurf's printing on RISC OS 5?
AFAIAA, it works (except to PostScript printers).
The current release has the same help instructions as previous
issues
about lack of Font Manager and printer drivers support - there is a
comment about a patch for non-Postscript printers that has been
submitted to RISC OS Open Ltd.
See revisions 4.11 and 4.12, here:
http://riscosopen.co.uk/viewer/view/castle/RiscOS/Sources/Printing/Module...
Presumably, the appropriate binary module is in all-bin-2007-11-15.zip
here:
http://riscosopen.co.uk/content/downloads/risc-os-tarballs
Report any bugs you find to the ROOL bug tracker, here:
http://riscosopen.co.uk/tracker/tickets/filter
John.
2:48 p.m.
In article <278c0a822f562af63edbe77705623f60(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:09:52 +0100, Richard Ashbery
<riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Has any progress be made with NetSurf's printing on RISC OS 5?
AFAIAA, it works (except to PostScript printers).
> The current release has the same help instructions as previous
> issues about lack of Font Manager and printer drivers support -
> there is a comment about a patch for non-Postscript printers that
> has been submitted to RISC OS Open Ltd.
See revisions 4.11 and 4.12, here:
[snip long web addresses]
Thanks for that information - will investigate supplied web pages and
report back.
Regards
Richard
3:18 p.m.
In article <278c0a822f562af63edbe77705623f60(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:09:52 +0100, Richard Ashbery
<riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> Has any progress be made with NetSurf's printing on RISC OS 5?
AFAIAA, it works (except to PostScript printers).
> The current release has the same help instructions as previous
issues
> about lack of Font Manager and printer drivers support - there is a
> comment about a patch for non-Postscript printers that has been
> submitted to RISC OS Open Ltd.
See revisions 4.11 and 4.12, here:
http://riscosopen.co.uk/viewer/view/castle/RiscOS/Sources/
Printing/Modules/PDModules/VersionNum
Presumably, the appropriate binary module is in
all-bin-2007-11-15.zip
Downloaded and de-archived the bin. The Printing section has !Printers
which stupidly I substituted (luckily I took a backup) for my old copy
(Printer 1.72) thinking it would contain the modifications required to
get NetSurf to print correctly. This is only a skeleton app containing
directories...........
dp, lj, Modules, Palettes, PDumpers, ps and
Remote.
There is a Boot file but am reluctant to run this as I unaware of its
effect on my system - nice and reliable at the moment.
None of this is meaningful. How do I preceed from here please
John.
Regards
Richard
4:39 p.m.
In a dim and distant universe <4f66bb0253riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
[Snippety snip]
There is a Boot file but am reluctant to run this as I unaware of
its
effect on my system - nice and reliable at the moment.
None of this is meaningful. How do I preceed from here please
You need to download the previous copy of the binaries, which included a
copy of !Printers. The most recent binary only contains update files and
not the full application.
Having said that, I've encountered weird redraw problems with !Printers
1.73 so I've gone back to the previous version to avoid crashing the
machine. :-(
4:44 p.m.
In article <4f66c26cd2lists-nospam(a)vigay.com>, Paul Vigay
<lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
In a dim and distant universe
<4f66bb0253riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
[Snippety snip]
> There is a Boot file but am reluctant to run this as I unaware
of
> its effect on my system - nice and reliable at the moment.
> None of this is meaningful. How do I preceed from here please
You need to download the previous copy of the binaries, which
included a copy of !Printers. The most recent binary only contains
update files and not the full application.
Having said that, I've encountered weird redraw problems with
!Printers 1.73 so I've gone back to the previous version to avoid
crashing the machine. :-(
Thanks for that important information - I will have a look. Re-draw
problems - this doesn't sound good :-((
I need to speak to you about getting FileCrypt to work. I'll contact
you separately on this one.
Regards
Richard
1:52 p.m.
In article <4f66c26cd2lists-nospam(a)vigay.com>, Paul Vigay
<lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
In a dim and distant universe
<4f66bb0253riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
[Snippety snip]
> There is a Boot file but am reluctant to run this as I unaware
of
> its effect on my system - nice and reliable at the moment.
> None of this is meaningful. How do I preceed from here please
You need to download the previous copy of the binaries, which
included a copy of !Printers. The most recent binary only contains
update files and not the full application.
Having said that, I've encountered weird redraw problems with
!Printers 1.73 so I've gone back to the previous version to avoid
crashing the machine. :-(
OK I have got hold of Printers 1.73 but whichever version I use I get
an error "Illegal control in font string" - where do I go from here?
Regards
Richard
3:39 p.m.
In article <4f6736fccbriscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
OK I have got hold of Printers 1.73 but whichever version I use I
get
an error "Illegal control in font string" - where do I go from here?
Have you tried restarting since installing the new printer drivers?
--
Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
4:35 p.m.
In article <4f6740cbeftlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake
<tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <4f6736fccbriscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery
<riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> OK I have got hold of Printers 1.73 but whichever version I use
I
> get an error "Illegal control in font string" - where do I go
> from here?
Have you tried restarting since installing the new printer drivers?
Yes - no difference.
I should have pointed out this is with NetSurf..... Dev 22 Jan 2008
r3761 version.
Earlier versions give same error.
Regards
Richard
6:38 p.m.
Having only just got round to doing something about this - sorry, a bit
slow - and having upgraded to !Printers 1.73, I have been experimenting.
Has something perhaps been updated just recently, I wonder, because I have
tried printing to my Kyocera FS-1200 using the PCL driver and also the
"PostScript Level 1" driver and also to my HP2550 with "Postscript Level
2"
driver, and all combinations seem to print OK.
I also tried printing from Artworks (also to PostScript) without problem -
so far, at least.
Great being able to print from NetSurf directly :o)
Are others having similar experiences now?
John
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7:12 p.m.
On 25 Feb 2008 John <mail(a)JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> wrote:
Having only just got round to doing something about this - sorry, a
bit
slow - and having upgraded to !Printers 1.73, I have been experimenting.
Has something perhaps been updated just recently, I wonder, because I
have
tried printing to my Kyocera FS-1200 using the PCL driver and also the
"PostScript Level 1" driver and also to my HP2550 with "Postscript Level
2"
driver, and all combinations seem to print OK.
I also tried printing from Artworks (also to PostScript) without
problem -
so far, at least.
Great being able to print from NetSurf directly :o)
Are others having similar experiences now?
In a word, no, not here anyway. As I understand it, PostScript drivers
with Printers 1.73, at least till now, can't cope with Unicode fonts,
and PostScript drivers are all I have here. However, if someone can
tell me differently ...
With best wishes,
Peter.
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7:52 p.m.
On 25 Feb, Dr Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
In a word, no, not here anyway. As I understand it, PostScript
drivers
with Printers 1.73, at least till now, can't cope with Unicode fonts,
and PostScript drivers are all I have here. However, if someone can
tell me differently ...
So why is it all working here? Seems very strange....but welcome.
Perhaps it will fall on its face next time I try.
John
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8:04 p.m.
On 25 Feb 2008 John <mail(a)JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> wrote:
On 25 Feb, Dr Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> In a word, no, not here anyway. As I understand it, PostScript
drivers
> with Printers 1.73, at least till now, can't cope with Unicode fonts,
> and PostScript drivers are all I have here. However, if someone can
> tell me differently ...
So why is it all working here? Seems very strange....but welcome.
Has there been a new 1.73, perhaps? Or am I missing some necessary
modules? If so, what should I have, and where do I get them?
Perhaps it will fall on its face next time I try.
I doubt it!
TIA,
With best wishes,
Peter.
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8:17 p.m.
In a dim and distant universe <981dcc764f.pnyoung(a)pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Dr Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
Has there been a new 1.73, perhaps? Or am I missing some necessary
modules? If so, what should I have, and where do I get them?
I've got all the latest versions installed here and I still can't get
printing to postscript printers from NetSurf.
9:32 p.m.
On 25 Feb 2008 Paul Vigay <lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
In a dim and distant universe
<981dcc764f.pnyoung(a)pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Dr Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> Has there been a new 1.73, perhaps? Or am I missing some
necessary
> modules? If so, what should I have, and where do I get them?
I've got all the latest versions installed here and I still
can't get
printing to postscript printers from NetSurf.
That makes me feel better!
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
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Anne \/ __ __ \ England.
and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk.
7:51 p.m.
In article <4f76cd5209lists-nospam(a)vigay.com>, Paul Vigay
<lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
In a dim and distant universe
<981dcc764f.pnyoung(a)pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young
<pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> Has there been a new 1.73, perhaps? Or am I missing some
> necessary modules? If so, what should I have, and where do I get
> them?
I've got all the latest versions installed here and I still
can't
get printing to postscript printers from NetSurf.
I can't even print to a bog-standard inkjet printer let alone
a Postscript printer. Despite using the latest versions of
NetSurf/Printers/Gutenprint I am unable to print a web page without
the error "Illegal control character in font string".
Using:
NetSurf...... Dev (27 Feb 2008) r3872.
Printers.......... 1.73
GutenPrint...... 2.20
Can anyone help with this??????????????????????
Regards
Richard
9:27 p.m.
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:51:55 +0100, Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:
I can't even print to a bog-standard inkjet printer let alone
a Postscript printer. Despite using the latest versions of
NetSurf/Printers/Gutenprint I am unable to print a web page without
the error "Illegal control character in font string".
Using:
NetSurf...... Dev (27 Feb 2008) r3872.
Printers.......... 1.73
GutenPrint...... 2.20
Can anyone help with this?
The important bit is PDriverDP. What does *Help PDriverDP say?
John.
10:05 p.m.
In article <b06af2fdca526987de5e4a05c91fa5b8(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:51:55 +0100, Richard Ashbery
<riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I can't even print to a bog-standard inkjet printer let alone a
> Postscript printer. Despite using the latest versions of
> NetSurf/Printers/Gutenprint I am unable to print a web page
> without the error "Illegal control character in font string".
>
> Using:
>
> NetSurf...... Dev (27 Feb 2008) r3872. Printers.......... 1.73
> GutenPrint...... 2.20
>
> Can anyone help with this?
The important bit is PDriverDP. What does *Help PDriverDP say?
Module: Printer driver 4.51 (11 Jul 2003) for bit image printers.
Regards
Richard
11:17 p.m.
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:05:29 +0100, Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:
In article <b06af2fdca526987de5e4a05c91fa5b8(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> The important bit is PDriverDP. What does *Help PDriverDP say?
Module: Printer driver 4.51 (11 Jul 2003) for bit image printers.
Well; there's your problem, then. You need at least 4.54.
This can be found in "all-bin-2007-11-15.zip" from
http://riscosopen.co.uk/content/downloads/risc-os-tarballs
Note that the !Printers in that zip file is not complete -- you'll need to
merge it with an existing !Printers 1.73.
John.
11:14 p.m.
In article <4a199233e22cfb80f946edf12be71561(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:05:29 +0100, Richard Ashbery
<riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <b06af2fdca526987de5e4a05c91fa5b8(a)ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
> John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
>
>> The important bit is PDriverDP. What does *Help PDriverDP say?
>
> Module: Printer driver 4.51 (11 Jul 2003) for bit image printers.
Well; there's your problem, then. You need at least 4.54.
This can be found in "all-bin-2007-11-15.zip" from
http://riscosopen.co.uk/content/downloads/risc-os-tarballs
Note that the !Printers in that zip file is not complete --
you'll
need to merge it with an existing !Printers 1.73.
Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway.
I must confess I don't find it easy navigating around the riscosopen
site - I must have missed this updated but incomplete version of
Printers.
Thanks again John.
(testament to the ever helpful RISC OS community).
Regards
Richard
12:21 a.m.
In a dim and distant universe <4f77e542d4riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway.
Is this the ink jet driver, or postscript? I presume PostScript is still
broken, as I can't seem to get it to work here.
11:57 a.m.
On 27 Feb 2008 Paul Vigay <lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
In a dim and distant universe
<4f77e542d4riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway.
Is this the ink jet driver, or postscript? I presume PostScript is
still
broken, as I can't seem to get it to work here.
Nor here with PostScript. Is there any prospect of this PostScript
problem being sorted out?
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
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Anne \ / __ __ \ England.
and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk.
4:51 p.m.
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:57:32 GMT, Dr Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk>
wrote:
On 27 Feb 2008 Paul Vigay <lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
> In a dim and distant universe <4f77e542d4riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
> Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>> Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway.
> Is this the ink jet driver, or postscript? I presume PostScript is still
> broken, as I can't seem to get it to work here.
Nor here with PostScript.
Of course not; noone's made any claims that PDriverPS has been fixed. I'm
somewhat confused, therefore, as to the state of bafflement that exists
here.
Is there any prospect of this PostScript problem being sorted out?
Not be me at least -- it was bad enough fixing PDriverDP without direct
access to either a printer or, perhaps more usefully, a RISC OS machine. I
don't have time to wade through the thousands of pages of PostScript
language specification to work out what's required. This effort would be
most certainly wasted, anyway, as people who are already experts in dealing
with PostScript are working on improving PostScript printing.
John.
6:18 p.m.
On 28 Feb 2008 John-Mark Bell <jmb(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:57:32 GMT, Dr Peter Young
<pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk>
wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2008 Paul Vigay <lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
>
>> In a dim and distant universe <4f77e542d4riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
>> Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>>> Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway.
>
>> Is this the ink jet driver, or postscript? I presume PostScript is still
>> broken, as I can't seem to get it to work here.
>
> Nor here with PostScript.
Of course not; noone's made any claims that PDriverPS has been
fixed. I'm
somewhat confused, therefore, as to the state of bafflement that exists
here.
> Is there any prospect of this PostScript problem being sorted
out?
Not be me at least -- it was bad enough fixing PDriverDP without
direct
access to either a printer or, perhaps more usefully, a RISC OS machine. I
don't have time to wade through the thousands of pages of PostScript
language specification to work out what's required. This effort would be
most certainly wasted, anyway, as people who are already experts in dealing
with PostScript are working on improving PostScript printing.
Many thanks for this clarification, and I'll wait patiently for the
results of the other experts. You are one yourself, of course, and
your efforts are greatly appreciated by us trogs.
With best wishes,
Peter.
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family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk.
6:38 p.m.
On 28 Feb 2008, at 15:51, John-Mark Bell wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:57:32 GMT, Dr Peter Young
<pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk>
wrote:
> Is there any prospect of this PostScript problem being sorted out?
Not be me at least -- it was bad enough fixing PDriverDP without
direct
access to either a printer or, perhaps more usefully, a RISC OS
machine. I
don't have time to wade through the thousands of pages of PostScript
language specification to work out what's required. This effort
would be
most certainly wasted, anyway, as people who are already experts in
dealing
with PostScript are working on improving PostScript printing.
There might be something you can do in NetSurf to get PostScript
printing
working - Kevin Bracey had a couple of suggestions when I was adding
Unicode support to ZapRedraw:
Yes, it's mapping the stuff to PostScript fonts that's the problem.
Lots of
work from a PostScript guru needed there. It might require
PostScript 3 to
make it work.
<snip>
I think we're talking at cross-purposes here. You said UCS support
in VDU
mode, so I assumed you meant using the system font, which can be
achieved
using the Service_International call to redefine character <n> as UCS
character <u>.
Browse could do this - it sort of used characters 80-FF of the
system font
as a cache of recently needed characters, which it fetched on
demand using
Service_International during its redraw loop. It then restored them
to their
original definition at the end of the redraw. This worked rather
well with
PostScript printing - the PostScript printer driver does a very
intelligent
job of handling system font and its redefinition. It doesn't yet
support
UTF8. Still.
Makes an amusing technical challenge, I reckon, so ZapRedraw does the
same thing when plotting in the system font. I think Browse would
reprogram the system font size too (using VDU 23,17,7 or whatever).
Good stuff.
--
Christian Ludlam
christian(a)recoil.org
6:30 p.m.
On 28 Feb, Dr Peter Young <pnyoung(a)ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> Is this the ink jet driver, or postscript? I presume PostScript
is
> still broken, as I can't seem to get it to work here.
Nor here with PostScript. Is there any prospect of this PostScript
problem being sorted out?
Just for info : since writing that my setup now seems to print OK to my
Kyocera using PostScript Level 1 and
HP2550 using PostScript Level 2 . . . . both now come up with the same old
error "Undefined font..."
Well, I did say "Perhaps it will fall on its face next time I try." and it
did :(
My question is: why? Having printed faultlessly immediately after
installing !Printers 1.73 and having made no changes to anything on the
basis of 'if it ain't broke..' it proved that the setup can work, but now
inexplicably refuses to do so.
Still prints from NetSurf to the Kyocera using the PCL driver though :o)
John
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12:21 a.m.
In article <4f77e542d4riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway.
What sites doesn't it work on?
--
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5:21 p.m.
In article <4f77eb5731tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org>,
Michael Drake <tlsa(a)netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
In article <4f77e542d4riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk>,
Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway.
What sites doesn't it work on?
Icon Technology - I've just tried it again and it works.
Another false alarm I'm afraid.
Regards
Richard
1:31 p.m.
Just one other thing:
Portrait (Upright in NS) printing often results in the right hand side
of web pages not being printed - a solution to this (if no "printer
friendly" option is available) is to print in Landscape (Sideways in NS)
mode but this option is always greyed out. Why? Just curious!
Regards
Richard
2:45 p.m.
On 25 Jan 2008 Richard Ashbery <riscos(a)gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
Has any progress be made with NetSurf's printing on RISC OS 5?
The
current release has the same help instructions as previous issues
about lack of Font Manager and printer drivers support - there is a
comment about a patch for non-Postscript printers that has been
submitted to RISC OS Open Ltd.
Some people have reported success in printing to a non-PostScript
printer using the latest release of !Printers; I don't have one of
these, so I still can't :-(
With best wishes,
Peter.
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