Re: [Netsurf-develop] Layout problem with 06 Jan build
by Martin Wynn
> I've just downloaded the 6th January build and found a big layout
> problem on my localhost home page. Whereas it used to fit comfortably
> on the screen, and does in Oregano 1, Fresco and FF, the page has now
> been expanded with much bigger spaces between the lines so I have to
> scroll down to see the bottom quarter. On top of that it looks
> horrible because of all the extra blank space. What have you changed?
Hmm sounds very much like the problem that I had under <Netsurf CSS
closer to w3c update> but now having deleted and downloaded the same
build again it all appears to be OK. Most strange...
Martin.
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Re: [Netsurf-develop] Netsurf CSS closer to w3c update
by Barry Smith
In message <4ea17dcf9alists-nospam(a)vigay.com>
Paul Vigay <lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
>
> In article <4ea17b346cbrian.jordan9(a)btinternet.com>,
> Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > The page is a shambles, with css, tables and Javascript liberally
> > scattered around. That the front page doesn't work well in NetSurf is
> > unsuprising if only because of the use of Javascript to control some
> > aspects of the layout!
>
> I certainly wouldn't describe it as a "shambles" which implies that it's
> not readable.
>
> I find it's perfectly readable and looks pretty much as it should. The only
> extra bit is some superfluous javasript between the title bar and the
> search bar - but that's hardly a show-stopper!
(From another mailing list) the following could be of use (and it works
with Netsurf (you just have an extra step to take because of no Javascript)
http://www.totalvalidator.com/ and the actual submission form of
http://www.totalvalidator.com/validator/ValidatorForm
The ability to see what a page looks like in other browsers could
be very useful.
Barry
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Re: [Netsurf-develop] Netsurf CSS closer to w3c update
by Martin Wynn
In message <mailman.376465.1168190876.8777.netsurf-develop(a)lists.sourc
eforge.net>
netsurf-develop-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
> I have just updated NetSurf (2007-01-06 16:11) and wished that I
> hadn't. The latest version puts frames/tables or something all over
> the place. Had to revert to an earlier version.
> Try loging into ebay for starters! Yes I know I should have reported
> the bug but I suspect everyman and her dog has issues with this
> version.
As the OP here I have to apologise as I have just read all the
comments and decided to reload the update and all appears ok.
Most strange as it wasn't just ebay that manifested the strange layout
errors...I had even closed down and rebooted the machine and still had
the problem with NetSurf. Must have been some sort of corruption of a
file.
Sorry again guys :-(
Martin.
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Re: [Netsurf-develop] Netsurf CSS closer to w3c update
by Brian Jordan
In article <4ea17dcf9alists-nospam(a)vigay.com>,
Paul Vigay <lists-nospam(a)vigay.com> wrote:
> In article <4ea17b346cbrian.jordan9(a)btinternet.com>,
> Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> > The page is a shambles, with css, tables and Javascript liberally
> > scattered around. That the front page doesn't work well in NetSurf is
> > unsuprising if only because of the use of Javascript to control some
> > aspects of the layout!
> I certainly wouldn't describe it as a "shambles" which implies that it's
> not readable.
> I find it's perfectly readable and looks pretty much as it should. The
> only extra bit is some superfluous javasript between the title bar and
> the search bar - but that's hardly a show-stopper!
Ah! I should have said "The source for the page is a shambles..."
As for looking pretty much as it should - four images which (in FF and
IE) are above the "Ebay for charity" and "Safety Tips" boxes are not
rendered in Netsurf. I don't think the "designer" would think it looks
pretty much as it should.
This is all getting away from the point. I was replying to the OP's
complaint that "The latest version (of Netsurf) puts frames/tables or
something all over the place" by pointing out that some of the layout is
controlled by Javascript and thus will not look right in Netsurf.
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Brian Jordan
>From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
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[Netsurf-develop] Netsurf CSS closer to w3c update
by Martin Wynn
I have just updated NetSurf (2007-01-06 16:11) and wished that I
hadn't. The latest version puts frames/tables or something all over
the place. Had to revert to an earlier version.
Try loging into ebay for starters! Yes I know I should have reported
the bug but I suspect everyman and her dog has issues with this
version.
Hope it is a step on the path to a better life so best wishes to the
developers.
Regards,
Martin.
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[Netsurf-develop] Font / Unicode overview
by James Bursa
In an attempt to answer the questions that have appeared recently,
I've written a guide to fonts and Unicode support in NetSurf.
James
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Fonts in NetSurf
NetSurf has support for displaying pages containing Unicode characters
that aren't normally available on RISC OS, for example accented Latin
letters, Greek, Cyrillic, Japanese, and various symbols.
The font choices let you pick a font for each of the five standard
families available to web authors (in CSS). The choices specify the
preferred font to use. If a character is not available in the chosen
font, but it's present in some other font that you have installed,
then NetSurf will automatically use it. There's no need to change the
font choices to view pages with characters that are not available in
the chosen font.
Note that you can only choose a font family. NetSurf will
automatically use weights from the family for bold and slanted text,
if available.
Installing more fonts
The fonts that come with RISC OS cover Latin (Homerton, Trinity,
Corpus), Greek (Sidney), and various symbols (Selwyn, Sidney). (On
RISC OS 3-4, only the "Latin 1" characters from the standard fonts,
which cover Western European languages, can be used by NetSurf).
If you want to display pages with other characters correctly, you'll
need to install fonts containing them. When a character is not present
in any available font, the Unicode character code will be displayed.¹
Any font supplied with a correctly designed "Encoding" file should
work. In practice, native fonts covering anything other than Latin 1
are rare. The solution is to convert TrueType fonts using TTF2f (this
currently produces fonts suitable for RISC OS 5 only).
After installing new fonts, NetSurf will need restarting so that it
detects them.
Problems and unimplemented features
* The default font is always the sans-serif one.
* Printing on RISC OS 5 doesn't work, due to lack of support in the
Font Manager and printer drivers. Printing to Postscript printers on
RISC OS 3-4 is not correctly implemented in NetSurf.
* Substituted characters are taken from the first font that contains
them, even if a character which matches the weight or slant better
is available.
* Only two weights (regular and bold) are supported, even if a family
contains other weights. The algorithm that finds weights needs
improving, for example using the heuristics given in CSS 2.1 15.6.
* Drawfile export is broken.
* Right-to-left text (Hebrew, Arabic) is not implemented.
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¹ If you see the codes 0091, 0092, 0096, or others starting 009, that
indicates that the page is not specifying the character set that it
is using correctly. Installing fonts won't help. We haven't yet
decided what the best way to work around this problem is.
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