Version of NetSurf: 15 Feb and all since Nov / Dec' ish
Hardware and operating system: Risc PC SA 233 Risc OS adjust and Select.
I have noticed a problem rendering all pages in netsurf for a long time.
The default page (file:/<NetSurf$Dir>/Docs/intro_en) appears blank although
the pointer changes as appropriate to items beneath.
eg. Google home page eg shows only:
Web Images Groups News more"
If the Google page is resized other text will appear and disappear.
Similar effects can be achieved by scrolling the window.
My guess is a screen redraw problem although I have no problems with other
I have checked the modules running on my system against those RMLoad'ed in
Netsurfs runfile and all are the latest versions.
I suspect the problem is local to me as no one else seems to have mentioned
such a basic problem; although I get the same on my VA laptop under RISCOS
Has anyone any ideas? I Will be away till next week...
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, pv wrote:
> In article <Marcel-1.53-0221103557-d07tRkF(a)ekels.nl>,
> Wim Ekels <wim(a)ekels.nl> wrote:
> > Downloaded the current version (20 Feb 18:30) this morning, but this
> > leaves my icon bar immediate after starting. (the main window just has
> > the chance to show itself)
> I get exactly the same. It looks like it's as soon as it tries
> parsing/rendering a page.
> I can load it to the iconbar, go to the choices and examine the menus ok -
> and it stays on the bar. However, as soon as you try to display a webpage,
> either online or offline, it just quits immediately.
> This is on a StrongArm RPC700 with ROS 4.39
Can you download this: http://www.strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk/rufl_chars.zip and
run rufl_test in a TaskWindow, then email me the result? The output of
*fontcat would also be useful.
With 2005-02-21 21:45, I consistently and repeatably get the error
"Unicode font library could not be initialized. Please report this to
the developers" at 72% on trying to initally load the program.
As an aside, I've downloaded and installed !RiscPkg to use instead of
GetNetSurf. As the latter seems to be only fetching from my local cache,
it seemed a good idea. After a lot of struggle with the thing, I've
made it work. However, the documentation bore no relation at all to how
it had to be installed, which is not good. And as it's described as
unstable and not really for use by normal persons, it seems strange
that it hasn't been updated for almost a year.
Webstuff at www.lewisgilbert.co.uk
The use of 120% display scale, when saved as 'set as default', prevents
some web pages appearing - just a blank background colour. If the
(blank) page display is then scaled to 100% it is displayed correctly.
An example that does this is the Netsurf builds page
This happens with the 20 Feb and 21 Feb Netsurf builds.
N50:50 W1:08 Hampshire, England
Using test build 20 Feb 05, 18:30.
I've noticed that, whilst www.dpreview.com initially loads, it crashes
and takes NetSurf off of the Iconbar when you try and scroll down the
Can anyone else verify this.
I can send in the stderr if needed.
SA233, RISCOS Adjust
I'm about to start modifying NetSurf to use the new font library that I've
written. This library uses Unicode fonts on RO5. On RO3-4, it reads Encoding
files supplied with fonts to map Unicode characters to font glyphs. It also
substitutes characters not available in the chosen fonts with characters
from other installed fonts.
Developers: get the library as module "rufl" in CVS. There are some test
programs included. I'll upload a precompiled one to the usual place.
Users: it is likely that printing and drawfile export will be broken for a
while. If these are important to you, please don't upgrade until the changes
* Note: the first time NetSurf is run, it will scan all your installed
* fonts. This could take several minutes if you have many fonts! You'll get
* an hourglass showing progress.
The final result of these changes should be that pages using various foreign
alphabets or symbols will display better. For example, Greek characters from
Sidney will be used automatically.
Downloaded the current version (20 Feb 18:30) this morning, but this
leaves my icon bar immediate after starting.
(the main window just has the chance to show itself)
I have turned of rendering (have used an older version if that works)
But this makes no difference at all.
By the way I have not seen any 'scanning' of fonts at all.
I have send stderr to John, as I expect him to ask for it.
Like Paul Sprangers couldn't find no RUflCache in scrap at all.
Wim Ekels - Sales
wim ekels @ ekels zandvoort bv nederland
tel +31 (0)23 5714180 postbus 314
fax +31 (0)23 5718296 NL-2040 AH ZANDVOORT
mailto : wim(a)ekels.nl on line : http://www.ekels.nl
18:30 Sunday version (and the earlier one)
Text is invisible when entered in text boxes. (eg google)
However it is actually entered correctly as far as I can tell.
mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org (plain text only please)
icq: 91353267 http://itworkshop-nexus.net Using RISC OS 5.08
msn: phantasm_39(a)hotmail.com sms: 07891070734
I hope that that title means what I think it means!
A scenario! In the course of developing a page I take a skeleton
document and populate it with lots of stuff. Part of the skeleton is -
<div style="float:left"><a><object><object></object></object></a></div> -
part of the heading. The outer object refers to an image/svg+xml file, the
inner one to an image/png file.
At the bottom of the page I have two other images in -
<span style="float:right"><object></object><object></object></span> - part
of the trailer. Both the objects are image/png.
When editing the document (using StrongED) I occasionally want to check it
and click on the StrongED run button. If we number the png files 1 (84px
wide by 479px high), 2 (88px wide by 31px high), 3 (88px wide by 31px high)
what is shown is 1, 2, 1! However, if I eliminate png No 1 from the
document and click refresh in the Netsurf window there is no image 1 (as
expected) in the header - but there is in the trailer. I can refresh until
I am blue in the face and that non-existent (very much squashed) image
I thought I would try to defeat the bug - quit Netsurf - re-loaded the
document from scratch and the images 2 and 3 appeared in the float as
expected. Return the file to its original state - refresh - up comes image
1 in the right place - but also in place 3 as well!
I have even gone to the extent of validating the file against the
appropriate xml Schema (which was OK anyway!) so that eliminated that
At present the matter is just mildly annoying as I am in the throes of
writing about 600 individual documents specifying a new programming
language - not yet for public consumption. It does, however, seem to be
another oddity which might be interesting to track down.
Keep up the first rate work, please!
[PGP key available if desired]
A bug and some feature requests:
Save boxes (for downloads) don't seem to like pathnames. If I type
mem:$.fish and press return, nothing happens. If I now drag the file to the
Mem:$ directory, it complains Mem:$.mem:$.fish couldn't be saved.
The most useful feature of Browse is it's handling of URLs as text. I can
copy a URL in a text file, do 'save selection' and drop it onto the Browse
icon to launch the URL. With an external utility I can drag the URL out of
the URL bar in Browse and drop it on another application (perhaps a web
page I'm editing). To save the URL of a download, I right click on it,
which opens a new window and a save box. I cancel the save box, then can
drag out the URL of the new window's URL bar.
Netsurf can do the second of these, but it ignores URLs dropped as text
files onto it, and hides the URLs of downloads. Would it be too hard to add
these? Another feature that would be useful is to drag and drop a textual
URL onto an existing window and NS fetches it. (Browse just displays the
URL in the window).