Here are the minutes of the 2013 NetSurf AGM. Thanks to Daniel Silverstone for recording them. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NetSurf AGM =========== Attendees --------- * Daniel Silverstone * Vincent Sanders * Michael Drake * Rob Kendrick * Chris Young * François Revol Welcome ------- Michael welcomed everyone to the 2013 NetSurf AGM. Secretary's Report ------------------ Last year's society committee consisted of: Michael Drake, Chair John-Mark Bell, Treasurer Daniel Silverstone, Secretary Last year's non-committee membership consisted of: Rob Kendrick Chris Young Vincent Sanders François Revol Steve Fryatt Nobody has left and noone has joined, thus the society stands at 8 members and as such remains functional. Treasurer's Report ------------------ Unfortunately we do not have an up-to-date treasurer's report at this time. John-Mark is unable to attend. However, we have an August 4th report: <http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/20... Since August 4th, approximately 300 UKP has been spent on CI server hosting for the coming year. Chairman's Report ----------------- The chairman's report can be found at: <http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/20... Since this report, treeviews have been added. The only blocker against 3.1 is the reworking of forms. Committee Election ------------------ I have received nominations and seconds for the incumbent society committee members. No incumbent has declined the nominations. Thus the question to vote on is "Should the incumbent committee serve for another year?". Everyone present voted in favour of the incumbents. Since no votes against were registered before the meeting, the incumbents are hereby elected to remain as the service committee for the coming year. Project steering ---------------- Michael reiterated that the short-term project goal is to get 3.1 done since the release of 3.0 was somewhat rushed. Longer term, our goal remains dynamic layout and better JS integration, along with correcting our CSS selection performance which is currently very poor. Vincent pointed out that JavaScript integration needs the binding generator's support for inherited elements to be improved and that after then, it is mostly just writing the DOM bindings. Vincent even believes that the bindings may be able to be automatically built, but he lacks time to achieve this for now. Daniel suggested a hack weekend. Michael agreed and Vincent offered to host. Rob pointed out that Codethink could possibly host too if people fancied Manchester instead of Cambridge. Michael suggested we wait and consult with John-Mark about dates etc. He also called for a possible attendance list. Michael, Vincent, Daniel and Rob all indicated an ability to attend. AI: Vincent to liase with John-Mark and then make a plan for a hack weekend. Chris raised that printing gets mentioned to him. This comes back to content cloning which is a known issue at this time. François asked how much of printing is platform-specific. Initially printing would be generating a PDF which makes it mostly core. Rob wondered if it might be worth writing a PostScript render backend. Michael reminded the meeting that we'd need stylesheet selection, @media handling etc. and for the layout engine to properly support pagination. Daniel proposed that we shelve printing for now, and reconsider it when determining requirements for the new layout engine. Everyone agreed. Michael suggested we might be able to achieve some kind of poor quality print short-term if we wanted. A.O.B ----- ### Bug Trackers Michael raised that the SourceForge bug tracker no longer functions in NetSurf. Rob suggested that we could fire up a BTS on one of the machines we use for CI. Daniel asked if Rob had any suggestions for which BTS to run. Rob stated a dislike for them all. Vincent pointed out that there's plenty of headroom on the CI master machine now. Mantis can be run in a VM with one CPU and 512MB of RAM. Chris indicated that he ran a Mantis for a while and that it worked with NetSurf when he did. Michael and Vincent both raised importing the old BTS data. AI: Rob Kendrick to research bug trackers and suggest one which can be run reasonably easily and will work with NetSurf. Expectation is Mantis but there are other options. ### Continuous Integration Vincent reported: The CI system now consists of four systems. Two are MacOS-X systems and two are x86 VMs hosted by Mythic Beasts. The Mythic beasts systems have 2 gigs of RAM each and we run Jenkins and the downloads sites on one and use the other as a build slave. Vincent raises the question: What about continued support for the platforms not under CI, and also MacOS-X PPC. Michael pointed out that this involves the BeOS port since that cannot be CI'd at this time, and that MacOS-X PPC cannot run Java 1.6 which prevents us from upgrading Jenkins. Michael asked if it is impossible to cross-build the MacOS-X port. Vincent said yes, hence the native builders. François pointed out that for BeOS/Haiku to be CI'd, he'd need to sort out the cross-toolchain. Since the toolchain is not meant for building outside of Haiku's build process it will be a pain. Rob pointed out that we'd want the cross-environment to be prepared in the same way as all the other systems and François agreed. Vincent pointed out that if we can run Java 1.6 on Haiku then we could host a "real" build slave on it. François pointed out that non-gui stuff might be possible and Vincent agreed that the Jenkins slave is headless. In theory therefore it might be possible. AI: François to research the build options for Haiku and BeOS and come back to the group with a proposal for getting it into CI or else dropped. Michael advocated dropping MacOS-X PPC after 3.1. Vincent explained that the PPC port of MacOS-X doubles the build time on the CI. Michael asked Chris if the Amiga CI builds see much action. Chris said that he knows of a few people who download them. Vincent asked if there was any way to improve matters and Chris asked for a 'With JS' build. Vincent asked Chris to update the Amiga cross-toolchain to the appropriate Spidermonkey release and then he will enable them. AI: Chris to sort out Spidermonkey for the Amiga cross-toolchain Closing ------- Michael thanked everyone for attending. Daniel indicated that these minutes will be posted to the mailing list soon. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/