10:28 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 01:05:22PM +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote:
On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 12:27:10 +0100, Richard Ipsum wrote:
> Though I am personally of the opinion that we are so delightful towards
> each other that a code of conduct is not strictly necessary
The covenant is more there to ensure that others coming to the community
understand the standards to which we will require them to adhere :-) I do
indeed hope we're all lovely people, but it's useful to have a statement to
that effect.
Thank you for engaging with the covenant enough to decide it warrants an edit,
that implies you at least have bothered to read it through which pleases me
greatly.
> I have chosen to make a more moderate amendment here.
This change removes the section in which we say that we will not act on
compliants which we consider essentially spurious. Without this in the
covenant, it would be reasonable to expect we'd have to spend time reviewing
and investigating situations where person A complains that person B asked
person A to leave them alone. This hardly seems a worthwhile use of out
time.
The Covenant was derived from
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment/Policy and for the
most part I believe I trust the geek feminism community to have added that
content for a good reason.
Could you please explain your reasoning behind suggesting we remove that
part of the covenant? Could you give a hypothetical situation in which you
feel it would be detrimental to have that present?
The problem is here,
The Gitano Community prioritises marginalised people's safety over privileged
people's comfort. Gitano Community Managers will not act on complaints regarding:
How would we choose to define privilege ?
The statement is followed by the point,
'Reverse' -isms, including 'reverse racism,' 'reverse sexism,'
and 'cisphobia'
I was not in fact familiar with these "reverse" terms until I encountered
this document.
Wikipedia defines reverse sexism,
Reverse sexism in a broader sense refers to sexism directed towards the dominant sex
and in a narrower sense to sexism against men.
I myself cannot assume a definition for the term dominant sex I am afraid,
which makes the term reverse sexism equally dubious, since surely sexism
is an act that can be committed against members of either sex. To admit
a reverse sexism is to admit the existence of a dominant sex in the first
place, which seems mistaken in my view.
Wikipedia defines reverse racism,
Reverse racism is a term used to describe acts of discrimination and prejudice
perpetrated by racial minorities or historically oppressed ethnic groups against
individuals belonging to the racial majority or historically dominant ethnic groups.
Here we might argue the definition of a dominant race may be clearer
since we might refer to population statistics, yet even here
the distribution of race within a nation obviously varies between
nations and it is not clearly defined in the covenant which nation
the terms are based upon. Indeed since we accept patches from all
over the world we might find we need to look to world population statistics
to find the most populous race and assign that race the term dominant...
it's all getting quite complicated now.
It is my opinion then that the introduction of these "reverseisms" is
logically flawed since they logically necessitate the existence of a
dominant something or other, which is undefined.
I'm certain those who seek to introduce such terms have only the best
intentions, but if my analysis here is not flawed, then the introduction
of such terms in fact undermines the ends sought.
Let us simply treat all people equally.
Hope this helps,
Richard